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Just now, FlipTheBird said:

It's tough, because pitching is at a premium more now than it has been in ages - because it seems like almost no one has much depth there, short of 2-3 teams at the very top. ERA's are up all throughout the league. It's crazy.

The O's came into the year hoping that Lee, Aquino and maybe Ynoa could make contributions. Instead those three have all gone nuclear in Norfolk and are having the worst years of their MiLB careers. All three of them. It's absurd how bad things have been.

It is absurd and Dan is the GM and it falls on him.  

It has been my experience watching this team my whole life the AL East is the last place you can hide mediocre at best pitching. Tillman and Gausman have really screwed up the season so far. Bundy has been good and Miley-by his standards- acceptable to this point.....

Ubaldo being bad isn't surprising. The injuries to the pen and top 2 starters struggling have really exposed things. 

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13 hours ago, eddie83 said:

Dan has made many mistakes but reading this you would think he has been the worst GM in all of pro sports the last 5 years.  

He's grateful there is an Ernie grunfeld down the road who is the worst gm in sports history. Dan is atrocious, but Ernie takesbit to another level. 

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If the Orioles put all of their eggs in the Lee, Aquino and Ynoa bucket, they deserve to lose.

It is irresponsible how Duquette handles a starting pitching staff.

This year we had a hurt Tillman, traded Gallardo...and what did Duquette do to shore up the rotation especially with Bundy starting out this year as a starter for a full season whilst still having Ubaldo coming off his worst season as an O? 

He picked up Asher, Ynoa and Verrett.

I mean...come on. 

Duquette's plan was to pray that Tillman comes back healthy and that Ubaldo doesn't end up like 2016 Ubaldo. Is that really something that we should be proud of?

Every single season Duquette has been the GM, the Orioles has had a below average starting rotation aside from *1* year. 

And impact starting pitching depth in the minors is virtually non-existent. 

That's truly inexcusable. We're seeing what happens when you jettison all of your draft picks for mediocre talent. Or jettison comp picks for salary relief.

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3 minutes ago, LookitsPuck said:

If the Orioles put all of their eggs in the Lee, Aquino and Ynoa bucket, they deserve to lose.

It is irresponsible how Duquette handles a starting pitching staff.

This year we had a hurt Tillman, traded Gallardo...and what did Duquette do to shore up the rotation especially with Bundy starting out this year as a starter for a full season whilst still having Ubaldo coming off his worst season as an O? 

He picked up Asher, Ynoa and Verrett.

I mean...come on. 

Duquette's plan was to pray that Tillman comes back healthy and that Ubaldo doesn't end up like 2016 Ubaldo. Is that really something that we should be proud of?

Every single season Duquette has been the GM, the Orioles has had a below average starting rotation aside from *1* year. 

And impact starting pitching depth in the minors is virtually non-existent. 

That's truly inexcusable. We're seeing what happens when you jettison all of your draft picks for mediocre talent. Or jettison comp picks for salary relief.

A good GM would have achieved the same success that DD has, while not giving up as much as DD has. 

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2 minutes ago, LookitsPuck said:

If the Orioles put all of their eggs in the Lee, Aquino and Ynoa bucket, they deserve to lose.

It is irresponsible how Duquette handles a starting pitching staff.

This year we had a hurt Tillman, traded Gallardo...and what did Duquette do to shore up the rotation especially with Bundy starting out this year as a starter for a full season whilst still having Ubaldo coming off his worst season as an O? 

He picked up Asher, Ynoa and Verrett.

I mean...come on. 

Duquette's plan was to pray that Tillman comes back healthy and that Ubaldo doesn't end up like 2016 Ubaldo. Is that really something that we should be proud of?

Every single season Duquette has been the GM, the Orioles has had a below average starting rotation aside from *1* year. 

And impact starting pitching depth in the minors is virtually non-existent. 

That's truly inexcusable. We're seeing what happens when you jettison all of your draft picks for mediocre talent. Or jettison comp picks for salary relief.

Not that what you're saying isn't true, but it's not like anyone predicted this staff would be this bad.  I think most predicted the O's would have a better starting rotation than the Yankees.  But somehow Severino got good and CC found his form again, while the O's are in their worst stretch of starting pitching in years.  But yes I agree Duquette's short term ways of dealing with pitching are unrealistic and a big gamble, especially for a club like the Orioles. 

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4 minutes ago, ArtVanDelay said:

A good GM would have achieved the same success that DD has, while not giving up as much as DD has. 

After years of supporting DD I think I believe this.  He inherited a pretty good farm system with some young MLB players already here.  The only FA's he's brought in were guys that nobody else wanted at the time.  This team has a 160 million payroll and has 5ish MLB level pitchers on it at the moment.   

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4 minutes ago, CheeryO said:

Not that what you're saying isn't true, but it's not like anyone predicted this staff would be this bad.  I think most predicted the O's would have a better starting rotation than the Yankees.  But somehow Severino got good and CC found his form again, while the O's are in their worst stretch of starting pitching in years.  But yes I agree Duquette's short term ways of dealing with pitching are unrealistic and a big gamble, especially for a club like the Orioles. 

The starting rotation this year was the biggest concern going in. Now maybe it wasn't expected to be this awful, but it's not like Duquette had any meaningful contingency plan. 

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11 minutes ago, ArtVanDelay said:

A good GM would have achieved the same success that DD has, while not giving up as much as DD has. 

That's a tall order in the AL East with an owner that won't invest in the international game, never goes after top free agents and is usually  in win-now mode.  Dan probably felt he had to gamble big within the window he was operating and for the owner he's working for.  I think he is/was a good GM, but it does feel like he got reckless once he crossed a certain line.  Now comes the really big test I suppose.

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2 minutes ago, LookitsPuck said:

The starting rotation this year was the biggest concern going in. Now maybe it wasn't expected to be this awful, but it's not like Duquette had any meaningful contingency plan. 

I guess, unless the only realistic meaningful contingency plan all along is eventually blow up the team if the World Series or bust approach doesn't work out. 

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