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Just now, hoosiers said:

I appreciate the effort to look at this somewhat objectively.  I have several issues with the trade.  Our competitive position says that we should be collecting minor league assets and not shedding them.  We may view Cleavinger as having a limit ceiling, but let's keep him and see if he gets better.  You know, like Bridwell did. 

Why give up international slots to get Hellickson?  Our prior GM had no such vanity regarding his won-loss record and sent out Steve Traschel repeatedly to lose games and get us into a better draft position.  Why not package Cleavinger and our international slots for an incrementally better prospect than Cleavinger?

Regarding the need for a SP, why hasn't Dan been stashing SP wanna-be guys at AAA for use over the balance of the season?  Let's see what other teams so many games below .500 acquire SPs this trade deadline to be an "innings eater."

Why is this move better than DFAing or cutting Kim?  We would have our international slots and Cleavinger and only be out the pro-rata portion of Kim's salary.

We don't use the International slots. Somethng to do with the ownership. We can't comtinue with the SP as is. And Wright and Willson aren't answers.

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1 hour ago, MDK02 said:

I'd rather just bring up Tyler Wilson and Wright. It was a meaningless trade, who cares who pitches at this point. The season is over.

It's an awful trade and the fact that it was made means we are, at minimum, looking to trade more prospects. This is ridiculous. 

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1 hour ago, section18 said:

We need pitching and Hellickson is better than what we are running out there every night.  Gausman when he is on is the exception.  Bundy appears to be tired. Tillman should be shut down.  What a wasted season by him. He should be embarrassed to take his check along with Ubaldo and Miley. Stealing money from the team. Oh and O'Day ! What a waste! Hellickson came up through the Tampa system so he has an edge already.

 

 

Was he from the Tampa system when he got rocked in April, May, June & July? At least he's moving from the NL east to the AL East.

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1 hour ago, hoosiers said:

I appreciate the effort to look at this somewhat objectively.  I have several issues with the trade.  Our competitive position says that we should be collecting minor league assets and not shedding them.  We may view Cleavinger as having a limit ceiling, but let's keep him and see if he gets better.  You know, like Bridwell did. 

Why give up international slots to get Hellickson?  Our prior GM had no such vanity regarding his won-loss record and sent out Steve Traschel repeatedly to lose games and get us into a better draft position.  Why not package Cleavinger and our international slots for an incrementally better prospect than Cleavinger?

Regarding the need for a SP, why hasn't Dan been stashing SP wanna-be guys at AAA for use over the balance of the season?  Let's see what other teams so many games below .500 acquire SPs this trade deadline to be an "innings eater."

Why is this move better than DFAing or cutting Kim?  We would have our international slots and Cleavinger and only be out the pro-rata portion of Kim's salary.

All of this.  What a lost organization. 

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1 hour ago, sportsfan8703 said:

Strange trade. I don't see the harm in it. 

 

1 hour ago, Number5 said:

Kim wasn't going to be here in 2018, the slot money wasn't going to be used, and Cleavinger is no loss.  Hellickson will eat innings, we're getting cash and losing Kim to help pay for it, and we've made room on the active roster for the guy we do plan on keeping going forward, Santander, who is finishing up his rehab.

I really don't understand all the hand wringing over this deal, as there's nothing to be upset about at all.

 

1 hour ago, section18 said:

I agree with you.  I think he will be considered  during the off season if he pitches well for us the last two months. I said this earlier.  He will probably give us more innings and in the NL many starters are pinch hit for in the 5th or 6th inning often times in games.

I'd be happy with a rotation consisting of Gausman, Bundy, Cobb, Hellickson and Lynn tbh

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7 minutes ago, Norfolk orioles said:

I'm ready for Dan to find a new organization.

 

He is not the man to oversee a rehaul of the organization which is what we must have to prevent a complete and total collapse back into the dark ages.

If he's given the autonomy to make his own decisions, he's shown throughout his career that he is adept at making good trades and signing int'l talent. I'm pretty sure the decree handed down to him was try to patch it together. I don't believe for a second he has full autonomy to make the deals he'd like to make. That's on the owner not the GM. He was the origninal boy wonder, not Epstein.

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