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What's the most you'd offer any of Hardy, Jimenez, Miley, or Tillman to return?

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4 hours ago, El Gordo said:

I see quite a few I'd prefer over Miley:

Brett Anderson (30)
Jake Arrieta (32)
Clay Buchholz (33)
Madison Bumgarner (28) — $12MM club option with a $1.5M buyout
Trevor Cahill (30)
Matt Cain (33) — $21MM club option with a $7.5MM buyout
Andrew Cashner (31)
Jhoulys Chacin (30)
Tyler Chatwood (28)
Jesse Chavez (34)
Wei-Yin Chen (32) — Can opt out of the remaining three years, $52MM on his contract
Alex Cobb (30)
Bartolo Colon (45)
Johnny Cueto (32) — Can opt out of the remaining four years, $84MM on his contract
Yu Darvish (31)
John Danks (33)
Jorge De La Rosa (37)
R.A. Dickey (43) — $8MM club option with $500K buyout
Nathan Eovaldi (28) — $TBD club option
Marco Estrada (34)
Scott Feldman (35)
Doug Fister (34)
Yovani Gallardo (32) — $13MM club option with a $2MM buyout
Jaime Garcia (31)
Matt Garza (34) — $13MM vesting option/$5MM club option (can become $1MM club option based on DL time)
Gio Gonzalez (32) – $12MM club option, vests with 180 innings pitched in 2017
Miguel Gonzalez (34)
Jeremy Hellickson (31)
Derek Holland (31)
Ubaldo Jimenez (34)
Ian Kennedy (33) — Can opt out of the remaining three years, $43MM on his contract
John Lackey (39)
Francisco Liriano (34)
Jordan Lyles (27)
Lance Lynn (31)
Wade Miley (31) — $12MM club option with a $500K buyout
Mike Minor (30) — $10MM mutual option with a $1.25MM buyout
Matt Moore (29) — $9MM club option with a $1MM buyout
Jon Niese (31)
Ricky Nolasco (35) — $13MM club option with a $1MM buyout
Martin Perez (27) — $6MM club option with a $2.45MM buyout
Michael Pineda (29)
Clayton Richard (34)
Tyson Ross (31)
CC Sabathia (37)
Anibal Sanchez (34) — $16MM club option with a $5MM buyout
Hector Santiago (30)
Chris Sale (29) — $12.5MM club option with a $1MM buyout
Masahiro Tanaka (29) — Can opt out of the remaining three years, $67MM on his contract
Chris Tillman (30)
Josh Tomlin (33) — $3MM club option with a $750K buyout
Jason Vargas (35)
Jered Weaver (35)
Chris Young (39) — $8MM mutual option with a $1.5MM buyout

Not saying they are better than Miley but, how much are they going to cost? The O's are not paying market for a Alex Cobb, Vargas, Estrada.

I honestly think we should trade for Verlander if the Tigers will eat 12-15 million of salary.

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4 minutes ago, Riggodrill44 said:

Not saying they are better than Miley but, how much are they going to cost? The O's are not paying market for a Alex Cobb, Vargas, Estrada.

I honestly think we should trade for Verlander if the Tigers will eat 12-15 million of salary.

I doubt any of those guys will be getting 5/20M AAV. Less than that and the O's could be in.

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12 minutes ago, El Gordo said:

I doubt any of those guys will be getting 5/20M AAV. Less than that and the O's could be in.

I see at least 3yr/40 for the bare minimum in free agency. That's been the owners comfort zone. We just don't shop in the right isles for pitchers.

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1 minute ago, El Gordo said:

 It was 4/50M And we need SP. I wouldn't rule out that kind of a contract. A lot of the guys I emboldened wont cost that much.

You don't think any of the guys you bolded will cost 4/50.....12.5/AAV. That's just ,sorry ....its 4 years later....it's gotten much more expensive. Ulbaldo waited out the market and still got good coin. That's OUR Ubaldo!

Estrada ,on the heels of this bad year will easily get 15/AAV, maybe not 3 years but he is going to make middling starting pitcher money.

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2 minutes ago, Riggodrill44 said:

You don't think any of the guys you bolded will cost 4/50.....12.5/AAV. That's just ,sorry ....its 4 years later....it's gotten much more expensive. Ulbaldo waited out the market and still got good coin. That's OUR Ubaldo!

Estrada ,on the heels of this bad year will easily get 15/AAV, maybe not 3 years but he is going to make middling starting pitcher money.

I think the market waited out Ubaldo.

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9 minutes ago, Riggodrill44 said:

You don't think any of the guys you bolded will cost 4/50.....12.5/AAV. That's just ,sorry ....its 4 years later....it's gotten much more expensive. Ulbaldo waited out the market and still got good coin. That's OUR Ubaldo!

Estrada ,on the heels of this bad year will easily get 15/AAV, maybe not 3 years but he is going to make middling starting pitcher money.

 Cobb might. Dickey Fister Hellickson Lynn Gonzo, Sabbathia wont.

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16 hours ago, Lucky_13 said:

I know Buck can be overly loyal. It's one of his flaws as a manager. But has buck ever had a situation like this? Where he has a young player be far better then his veteran guy? 

The difference between Andino and Roberts in 2012 was largely negligible. Another example of would be Jim Johnson but who on that 2013 roster was going to close if not for Johnson? I don't think O'day even in his prime was dominant enough to close. 

I'm not debating whether Buck is too loyal. I'm just saying the situation is different. 

I'm not going to spend the next 10 days or so worrying about this.    Obviously, Beckham is playing very well right now, and so is the team.    If that is still the situation when Hardy is ready to return, then obviously Buck should figure out a way to maintain the current status quo.    

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I'll frame this as "spring training starts in 48 hours and we still have potential holes on the major league roster":

2 of the 3 pitchers for $8m or less each
Hardy for whatever Flash has been making, or $6m

But it would have to be pretty apparent that we can't fill these holes internally with minor leaguers. I'd consider this to be a pretty bleak scenario, too. 

I will say, however, that I'd be most likely to bring back Tillman only on a $7m deal if he'd sign it right now. I'm just not convinced that he's done for his career.

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