Jones' ejection

[Beef Supreme]

44 minutes ago, Frobby said:

It's 17 inches from the front of the plate to the point in the back.    I question how far a ball can move in that distance, taking approximately 1/100th of a second to do it.

A lot. 

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For a pitch released at 90 mph at a vertical release angle of -1 degrees, the ball will drop almost two inches over the course of that extra 1.4 feet of home plate; certainly enough drop for a pitch to fall into the strike zone.

--Eric Lang, Analyzing the Strike Zone as a Three-Dimensional Volume

 

[Beef Supreme]

49 minutes ago, Frobby said:

It's 17 inches from the front of the plate to the point in the back.    I question how far a ball can move in that distance, taking approximately 1/100th of a second to do it.

Pus, there are the side-doors.

[Beef Supreme]

*Plus...*

[spiritof66]

41 minutes ago, Frobby said:

It's 17 inches from the front of the plate to the point in the back.    I question how far a ball can move in that distance, taking approximately 1/100th of a second to do it.

I can't give you a quantitative answer, but if I see any data I'll pass it along.

A couple of things to keep in mind. In that 17 inches a ball can break from side to side and can drop. In fact, every pitch drops as it travels through the zone (unless it's thrown from down under). Some breaking pitches drop many inches while in the vicinity of that 17 inches.

Second, an inch, and probably less, can be significant in determining whether a pitch is a strike. 

One different point that goes to umpiring rather than pitch tracking.  I don't see how an umpire, with his eyes a few feet behind and maybe five feet above the front edge of the plate, can estimate with any precision where that edge is when a pitch flies over it. (That, in part, is why I figured umpires try to call strikes from either the full flight of the ball or the closest part of that flight.)

[Frobby]

So, if pitch f/x says a pitch is a strike, then it's a strike.    If it says it's a ball, there's some small chance it could be wrong.    

Going back to last night, the pitches to Schoop and Jones were strikes.

[tntoriole]

58 minutes ago, thezeroes said:

Not having heard the entire exchange between player and umpire, I have a difficult issue getting to the point of blame.  I also find it encouraging that at least ONE player has the ability to question a homeplate umpires decision for a change.  I have seen several times that Chris Davis was "Rung Up" on a close call that had been going the other way all night and yet he just bangs the bat off his shoe and walks away.  Boston, New York and Toronto have made a living with their players questioning Umpires on ALL close calls at the plate.

Well that was the grand total of the second time in his major league career that an umpire has had to endure just so much insult and verbal abuse from Adam Jones that he just had to toss him.  Give me a break.  That young twerp rookie umpire had rabbit ears, just like Jim Palmer said.    I have no problem with who to blame.   See the previous sentence. 

[NickM21]

5 hours ago, tntoriole said:

Maybe he needed a rest.  

Reminds me of the story of a game back in the early 1900's. Player needed to get on a train (or maybe plane?) to make it to his destination, but wouldn't make it if he played the scheduled game. So in a pregame arrangement with the home plate umpire, he argued the first called strike in his at-bat in the top of the first and was "thrown out" of the game.

[tntoriole]

4 minutes ago, NickM21 said:

Reminds me of the story of a game back in the early 1900's. Player needed to get on a train (or maybe plane?) to make it to his destination, but wouldn't make it if he played the scheduled game. So in a pregame arrangement with the home plate umpire, he argued the first called strike in his at-bat in the top of the first and was "thrown out" of the game.

Or of Bull Durham where Crash Davis guarantees his teammates a much needed rest by getting a rainout when he turns the sprinklers on the field all night long before the game the next day...lol. 

[Beef Supreme]

51 minutes ago, tntoriole said:

Well that was the grand total of the second time in his major league career that an umpire has had to endure just so much insult and verbal abuse from Adam Jones that he just had to toss him.  Give me a break.  That young twerp rookie umpire had rabbit ears, just like Jim Palmer said.    I have no problem with who to blame.   See the previous sentence. 

Any time the umpire chases the player to prolong the argument, I shift the blame to the umpire.

[Natty]

Can't a blooper ball pitch or very good slow curve, cross the front of the plate in the strike zone and still hit the back of the plate? 

[scOtt]

4 hours ago, Beef Supreme said:

A lot. 

 

And what does Britton's sinker drop? Newton shakes his fist at the young whippersnapper!

[scOtt]

1 hour ago, Natty said:

Can't a blooper ball pitch or very good slow curve, cross the front of the plate in the strike zone and still hit the back of the plate? 

I got that! Full windup. You release the ball behind your back and then complete the throwing motion. Eephus pitch ++++++!