What's up with Jones' glove

[Tx Oriole]

7 minutes ago, eddie83 said:

 I would be all for moving Trumbo. 

Not a bad thought.

My gut tells me they hope Trumbo bounces back next year and worry about CF after 2018. 

But who would want him?

[clapdiddy]

1 minute ago, Tx Oriole said:

But who would want him?

Apparently, we do...even though it was a dumb signing.   If you don't sign Davis, I have no problem with Trumbo.   Both of these guys are roster-cloggers for the next two seasons.

[interloper]

Jones is probably a combination of hurt, exhausted, pressing, and not focusing. It's really the least of our problems. 

[Going Underground]

Jones has been hurting all year. I was at one Sunday game early in the year when two balls split the outfield between him and  Mancini and should have been cut off and bobbled. He could not throw well for about a month but looks a little better now. When Bordick or someone else says Buck always puts his best fielders on the diamond that is ludicrous.Outfield defense has not been great for years. 

[eddie83]

7 minutes ago, Tx Oriole said:

But who would want him?

I get that part. A team desperate for power and needs a 1B/DH.  

[Tx Oriole]

1 hour ago, Es4M11 said:

That's 1 more year too many for Jones to be manning CF. In an ideal world Baltimore can move Trumbo for a pack of gum, or whatever. Slide Mancini to DH, Jones to RF, Hays to LF, and (Mullins/competent defender) in CF.

Jones is done as a CF IMO. To run him out there next year would be more of the same, and I have had enough of that.

 I don't think Buck will make a change next year. I believe AJ will be the CF next year. Nor do I believe AJ is as bad as you seem to think. I just disagree with you about AJ.

[Tx Oriole]

16 minutes ago, clapdiddy said:

Apparently, we do...even though it was a dumb signing.   If you don't sign Davis, I have no problem with Trumbo.   Both of these guys are roster-cloggers for the next two seasons.

Yes they are. 

[Frobby]

19 minutes ago, Going Underground said:

Jones has been hurting all year. I was at one Sunday game early in the year when two balls split the outfield between him and  Mancini and should have been cut off and bobbled. He could not throw well for about a month but looks a little better now. When Bordick or someone else says Buck always puts his best fielders on the diamond that is ludicrous.Outfield defense has not been great for years. 

I think the "Jones is hurt" explanation can only be used so many times.    It literally happens every year that he gets banged up and plays with aches and pains.    Last year was worse than this one in that respect, IMO.    I applaud his toughness.

[Yossarian]

Jones is to centerfield as Hardy is to shortstop.

Both legacy players that have played good ball and represented the Orioles well.  You don't necessarily want to cut them loose completely and kick them to the curb, but you need to be aware of their limitations and know that age is getting the better of them.

[Frobby]

1 hour ago, Yossarian said:

Jones is to centerfield as Hardy is to shortstop.

Both legacy players that have played good ball and represented the Orioles well.  You don't necessarily want to cut them loose completely and kick them to the curb, but you need to be aware of their limitations and know that age is getting the better of them.

But Jones is still a positive contributor.     Hardy kind of fell off a cliff this year, after being decent in 2016.    

[Aristotelian]

I would describe Jones's play as competent. He generally catches catchable balls and almost always makes the correct play. He still has a great arm. But, he does not make spectacular plays where you think, "How did he catch that?" I think we could be OK with a competent CF if we had plus guys at the corners...but then you have Seth Smith and Trumbo, who is beyond incompetent. For a team with pitchers that are prone to struggle, we are just throwing them under the bus playing a defense of Jones, Mancini, and Trumbo. We saw that last night when Trumbo handed the Blue Jays a free run. Mancini is probably the best one of the group relative to position, and he is a rookie 1B!

I do think Jones could be fine for one more year if we surrounded him with guys who can catch the ball. Don't know enough about Hays to know if he would be an upgrade. At the very least, I earnestly hope that last night is the last we have seen of Trumbo trying to play RF. That play was an absolute disgrace.

https://www.mlb.com/video/hernandezs-unconventional-hit/c-1826750183?tid=6479266

[Frobby]

49 minutes ago, Aristotelian said:

I think we could be OK with a competent CF if we had plus guys at the corners...but then you have Seth Smith and Trumbo, who is beyond incompetent. For a team with pitchers that are prone to struggle, we are just throwing them under the bus playing a defense of Jones, Mancini, and Trumbo. We saw that last night when Trumbo handed the Blue Jays a free run.

I do think Jones could be fine for one more year if we surrounded him with guys who can catch the ball. Don't know enough about Hays to know if he would be an upgrade. At the very least, I earnestly hope that last night is the last we have seen of Trumbo trying to play RF. That play was an absolute disgrace.

While I have no particular desire to see Trumbo play the OF, I'm going to cut him some slack for last night.     It was twilight and he lost the ball -- that literally could happen to anyone, even a Gold Glove outfielder.     Now, the part where he fumbled the ball into the stands was pretty ridiculous, but in reality, that part cost us nothing -- the runner was going to get to third regardless.    I've been extremely critical of Trumbo's defense, but I think there are much better examples of his incompetence than last night's miscue.

FWIW, it's only his 30th game in the OF this year, compared to 96 last season.    That's progress, anyway.    

[Aristotelian]

7 minutes ago, Frobby said:

While I have no particular desire to see Trumbo play the OF, I'm going to cut him some slack for last night.     It was twilight and he lost the ball -- that literally could happen to anyone, even a Gold Glove outfielder.     Now, the part where he fumbled the ball into the stands was pretty ridiculous, but in reality, that part cost us nothing -- the runner was going to get to third regardless.    I've been extremely critical of Trumbo's defense, but I think there are much better examples of his incompetence than last night's miscue.

FWIW, it's only his 30th game in the OF this year, compared to 96 last season.    That's progress, anyway.    

The guy had literally stopped at second, then when he decided to go he face planted and did not even get to the bag. The error absolutely cost the base and I don't buy "that could happen to anyone" because Trumbo has been awful all year.

[tntoriole]

9 minutes ago, Aristotelian said:

The guy had literally stopped at second, then when he decided to go he face planted and did not even get to the bag. The error absolutely cost the base and I don't buy "that could happen to anyone" because Trumbo has been awful all year.

No, I think the face planting was the play where Jones dropped the ball in the alley.  

[Frobby]

14 minutes ago, Aristotelian said:

The guy had literally stopped at second, then when he decided to go he face planted and did not even get to the bag. The error absolutely cost the base and I don't buy "that could happen to anyone" because Trumbo has been awful all year.

 

5 minutes ago, tntoriole said:

No, I think the face planting was the play where Jones dropped the ball in the alley.  

I did not see the Trumbo play live, but on the replay I saw, the Toronto announcers were suggesting that the runner should have been awarded home plate because he was almost all the way to third when Trumbo fumbled the ball into the stands.