With 17 games to play....

[Malike]

Just now, MDtransplant757 said:

Get Miguel and Cobb, and maybe keep Miley. Or get rid of Miley and get someone like Lance Lynn. 

Cobb won't be cheap. I wouldn't expect to see him in an O's uni. He's hurt a lot too it seems to me anyway.

[MDtransplant757]

10 hours ago, Malike said:

Cobb won't be cheap. I wouldn't expect to see him in an O's uni. He's hurt a lot too it seems to me anyway.

He won't be cheap, but we have $50 million plus to play with. 

[Frobby]

1 minute ago, MDtransplant757 said:

He won't be cheap, but we have $50 million plus to play with. 

As I said elsewhere, I think Cobb will command 5/$80 mm, or a little more.     That's what Chen got.

Chen (through 2015): 46-32, 3.72 ERA (110 ERA+)

Cobb (through 2017): 47-34, 3.48 ERA (112 ERA+)

Chen (2015): 11-8, 3.34 ERA (123 ERA+)

Cobb (2017): 11-9, 3.59 ERA (116 ERA+)

The fact that the pool of top level FA pitchers is thin this year works in Cobb's favor.   Chen's year was a stronger one for FA pitching talent.  

[MDtransplant757]

Just now, Frobby said:

As I said elsewhere, I think Cobb will command 5/$80 mm, or a little more.     That's what Chen got.

Chen (through 2015): 46-32, 3.72 ERA (110 ERA+)

Cobb (through 2017): 47-34, 3.48 ERA (112 ERA+)

Chen (2015): 11-8, 3.34 ERA (123 ERA+)

Cobb (2017): 11-9, 3.59 ERA (116 ERA+)

The fact that the pool of top level FA pitchers is thin this year works in Cobb's favor.   Chen's year was a stronger one for FA pitching talent.  

I think the market is stronger than in 2015, honestly. 

There a lot more flyer guys this year, however. But the talent that is there will command loads of $. The question is, where do they go. 

[bpilktree]

4 minutes ago, Frobby said:

As I said elsewhere, I think Cobb will command 5/$80 mm, or a little more.     That's what Chen got.

Chen (through 2015): 46-32, 3.72 ERA (110 ERA+)

Cobb (through 2017): 47-34, 3.48 ERA (112 ERA+)

Chen (2015): 11-8, 3.34 ERA (123 ERA+)

Cobb (2017): 11-9, 3.59 ERA (116 ERA+)

The fact that the pool of top level FA pitchers is thin this year works in Cobb's favor.   Chen's year was a stronger one for FA pitching talent.  

Chen was also healthy and pitched a lot more then Cobb has over the years.   Chen was coming off back to back 31 start seasons.  He had an average of 29 starts over his 4 years in MLB and over 30 3 of the 4 years.  He has never thrown over 27 games before this season.  Being durable is getting you extra years and money especially with so may pitching injuries today.

[Frobby]

1 minute ago, bpilktree said:

Chen was also healthy and pitched a lot more then Cobb has over the years.   Chen was coming off back to back 31 start seasons.  He had an average of 29 starts over his 4 years in MLB and over 30 3 of the 4 years.  He has never thrown over 27 games before this season.  Being durable is getting you extra years and money especially with so may pitching injuries today.

Cobb had TJ surgery but is fully recovered now and should end the year at 180ish innings.   I'll grant you that Chen had been more durable to that point in his career (since then, not so much), but I don't think it will be that big of a factor.    I guess we'll see.   What do you think Cobb will get?

[bobmc]

15 minutes ago, Frobby said:

As I said elsewhere, I think Cobb will command 5/$80 mm, or a little more.     That's what Chen got.

Chen (through 2015): 46-32, 3.72 ERA (110 ERA+)

Cobb (through 2017): 47-34, 3.48 ERA (112 ERA+)

Chen (2015): 11-8, 3.34 ERA (123 ERA+)

Cobb (2017): 11-9, 3.59 ERA (116 ERA+)

The fact that the pool of top level FA pitchers is thin this year works in Cobb's favor.   Chen's year was a stronger one for FA pitching talent.  

Frobby showing why he gets paid the "big Bucks"!  ;-)

[Tx Oriole]

1 minute ago, Frobby said:

Cobb had TJ surgery but is fully recovered now and should end the year at 180ish innings.   I'll grant you that Chen had been more durable to that point in his career (since then, not so much), but I don't think it will be that big of a factor.    I guess we'll see.   What do you think Cobb will get?

I don't know but I think Cobb would be a good pitcher to get for the O's.

[FlipTheBird]

12 hours ago, Frobby said:

The team has been much more homer-prone:

Starters: 142 vs. 126 all last year

Relievers: 73 vs. 57 all last year

They have not exceeded last year's walk totals yet, but will pretty soon.   

There's no doubt the pitching has struggled.

It's also worth noting that MLB is going to have its best year, ever, for homers. Which boggles my mind, given how much people deride the steroid era.

[Mendoza Line]

4 hours ago, FlipTheBird said:

There's no doubt the pitching has struggled.

It's also worth noting that MLB is going to have its best year, ever, for homers. Which boggles my mind, given how much people deride the steroid era.

Juiced ball. Change the physics and you don't need as much force to make a long fly.

[Ohfan67]

Good evidence from other sports that players may be juicing again with undetectable stuff. 

 

But back to the pitchers...I think Cobb is an interesting target. And the Orioles will have the money to go after pitching in the offseason. 

[bpilktree]

11 hours ago, Frobby said:

Cobb had TJ surgery but is fully recovered now and should end the year at 180ish innings.   I'll grant you that Chen had been more durable to that point in his career (since then, not so much), but I don't think it will be that big of a factor.    I guess we'll see.   What do you think Cobb will get?

4 years 52 million-60million.

[Aristotelian]

8 hours ago, Ohfan67 said:

But back to the pitchers...I think Cobb is an interesting target. And the Orioles will have the money to go after pitching in the offseason. 

But what's the point of signing pitchers if we don't extend Manny? Go for it in '18, then let Manny walk? That would destroy the organization for years to come. Unfortunately that is where I think this is headed.