It's Time to Play the Youngins

[Can_of_corn]

7 hours ago, Legend_Of_Joey said:

I honestly think there is 1 of 2 reasons why Sisco hasn't started even 1 game:

1: Buck doesn't trust his defense. Buck likes players that can defend. No, Sisco isn't a "Trumbo behind the plate," but there were enough knocks that he might only have him for his bat.

2. The Orioles might be open to a trade. What could the Orioles get for Sisco and Machado? Or Sisco as the main item while throwing in someone they want to get rid of, for a top prize (a starter and a prospect or two?)

Hays has been starting, even with a crowded outfield. 

Buck likes players that can defend.

Sure he does.

Buck likes players that hit dongs.

[Can_of_corn]

27 minutes ago, sportsfan8703 said:

It's ok to sit Smith but not ok to sit Trumbo and his .697 OPS. Let Sisco at least get some AB's. We're playing Hays based off of stats in A+ and AA ball. Well Sisco won batting titles at those levels. Let the guy DH.  

I think this is showing that Sisco won't be in consideration at C next year with Joseph, if Castillo opts out. 

I don't see where you get that.  Playing Sisco in September is Buck's decision.  Sisco's future on next year's team is Dan's decision.

[eddie83]

11 hours ago, sportsfan8703 said:

Pedro's reward is that he's collecting an MLB paycheck right now. Trumbo has nothing to be upset about. It's not like he's a FA. We paid him a lot to do a little this year. 

We didn't make the playoffs. That means Buck needs to find out who are nuggets. 10 games playing will help Sisco at least know where he stands in the offseason. Trumbo can eat a pie. 

We all want to see the kids play but what are we going to find out in 10 games?? Trumbo is here 2 more years. Davis is here 5 years. The world doesn't work where players like those 2 get sent to the pine. No manager does that.  

[eddie83]

16 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

I don't see where you get that.  Playing Sisco in September is Buck's decision.  Sisco's future on next year's team is Dan's decision.

I'm starting to wonder if Dan will be back. Just a hunch.  

If Castillo opts out Chance will be here. I think he starts a good bit last 9 games.  

[weams]

36 minutes ago, eddie83 said:

I'm starting to wonder if Dan will be back. Just a hunch.  

 

You feel he will have a better deal elsewhere? 

[foxfield]

15 minutes ago, weams said:

You feel he will have a better deal elsewhere? 

When...after his contract is up next year?

[eddie83]

26 minutes ago, weams said:

You feel he will have a better deal elsewhere? 

No. I think it may make sense for all involved to go their separate ways this offseason. 

[foxfield]

17 minutes ago, eddie83 said:

No. I think it may make sense for all involved to go their separate ways this offseason. 

He is under contract through next season.  

[weams]

5 hours ago, foxfield said:

When...after his contract is up next year?

No, next season. Because the Angelos family is not getting rid of him and paying him.

[weams]

5 hours ago, eddie83 said:

No. I think it may make sense for all involved to go their separate ways this offseason. 

I disagree. 

[ReclaimTheCrown]

I would like to see Santander and Sisco start at least 3-4 of these last games.  I think we've got a good handle for what Hays can do, but we obviously have to keep Santander up for at least a month and a half, so let's give him some chance to see ML pitching.  Moreover, if Castillo doesn't pick up his option, Sisco is going to be at least a platoon starter.  One of the reasons I (and many others) were frustrated with Trumbo's resigning is that we had a minor leaguer (Mancini) who appeared a viable option to step into a role and we effectively blocked him; I hope we don't do the same again this offseason.  It's well past time to be transitioning to some of these home grown guys, even if there's risk involved.

In a perfect world, Santander can at least platoon in RF to start the year for the first month and a half, while we keep Hays in AAA to preserve a year of service time.  Probably not that realistic (I bet Hays forces his way onto the roster in spring training), but we'll see. 

[foxfield]

9 hours ago, weams said:

You feel he will have a better deal elsewhere? 

 

4 hours ago, weams said:

No, next season. Because the Angelos family is not getting rid of him and paying him.

Well, I agree that he will be here and get paid, and to your question of will he get a better deal elsewhere?  Why wouldn't that be possible?

All he has done is until literally the last week post the best record in the American League after taking a job for one of the most dysfunctional franchises in sports history.  Oh and by the way when the job was open previously we couldn't get junior up and comers to interview for the job, much less take it.  We got an experience GM who had been out of the game for 10 years.  He hasn't been perfect and I can certainly understand anyone who believes there are better candidates for the job going forward, but what he has done here is nothing short of amazing and if he wants another gig, I can't imagine that he won't get one.

[SteveA]

I don't like the idea of going into the season with a lame duck GM.   I want to go into the season with a GM who is looking at the long term view of the franchise, while also trying to contend in 2018 if that is possible.

So there's two ways around that:

1) Extend Duquette

or

2) Mutually agree to part ways and put someone who will be our GM for the next decade or so in charge.

I'd prefer #2.   But I would prefer #1 or #2 than going into the season with Dan clearly GM'ing out the string.   Someone who has a stake in 2019 or beyond can make the extend-Manny-or-trade-him decision much better than someone who doesn't.  

[SteveA]

11 hours ago, sportsfan8703 said:

It's ok to sit Smith but not ok to sit Trumbo and his .697 OPS. Let Sisco at least get some AB's. We're playing Hays based off of stats in A+ and AA ball. Well Sisco won batting titles at those levels. Let the guy DH.  

I think this is showing that Sisco won't be in consideration at C next year with Joseph, if Castillo opts out. 

I'll withhold judgements until tomorrow, when we aren't playing a real contender anymore.   If Sisco is still MIA over the last 9 games, then I will complain or make assumptions.

[Frobby]

4 minutes ago, SteveA said:

I don't like the idea of going into the season with a lame duck GM.   I want to go into the season with a GM who is looking at the long term view of the franchise, while also trying to contend in 2018 if that is possible.

So there's two ways around that:

1) Extend Duquette

or

2) Mutually agree to part ways and put someone who will be our GM for the next decade or so in charge.

I'd prefer #2.   But I would prefer #1 or #2 than going into the season with Dan clearly GM'ing out the string.   Someone who has a stake in 2019 or beyond can make the extend-Manny-or-trade-him decision much better than someone who doesn't.  

I think the only way DD would "mutually agree to part ways" is if he was allowed to explore opportunities with other teams first.    He's not going to walk away from a year's salary unless he knows he can make as much or more with another team.     Of course, they can always agree that he'll leave but Angelos will pay him his salary to be a "consultant" until he lands another job, or something like that.