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What grade do you give to the Orioles' offseason moves?  

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  1. 1. What grade do you give to the Orioles' offseason moves?

    • A -- it really couldn't have turned out much better, realistically
      16
    • B -- pretty good all things considered
      72
    • C -- meh, not awful but nothing to get excited about
      17
    • D -- maybe better than nothing, but that's all
      1
    • F -- complete waste of an offseason
      5

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DrungoHazewood Hangout Grand Counsel

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1 minute ago, SteveA said:

But can that pitcher have a ripple effect on the team that is bigger than just his WAR?

Plugging him in the rotation moves everyone else down a spot, so it improves you at the lower spots in the rotation too.

And improving all those rotation spots can mean fewer innings pitched by the bullpen early in the season which can pay off with better results all year for relievers who aren't overworked, fewer innings pitched by the worst relievers, etc.

I think the effect of signing a good starting pitcher can be greater than just the significant improvement he gives you at one of the 25 roster spots.

Maybe, but I think that's the type of thing you can over do and convince yourself that a single good pitcher is worth 10 wins for us.  But then what of the Dodgers and Darvish or the Phils and Arrieta?  Did they just sign 4 or 5 win pitchers to get 12?

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But we have the same rules of thumb.  Do you think Buck benches or releases Trumbo to install a platoon of Alvarez and Valencia if Trumbo isn't just tragically awful?  He'll get 250 PAs almost no matter what he does.

I think more than 250.  Unless he puts up some ungodly 150/190/340 line.

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8 minutes ago, DrungoHazewood said:

Maybe, but I think that's the type of thing you can over do and convince yourself that a single good pitcher is worth 10 wins for us.  But then what of the Dodgers and Darvish or the Phils and Arrieta?  Did they just sign 4 or 5 win pitchers to get 12?

Did they bump Mike Wright out of the rotation?

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7 minutes ago, DrungoHazewood said:

But we have the same rules of thumb.  Do you think Buck benches or releases Trumbo to install a platoon of Alvarez and Valencia if Trumbo isn't just tragically awful?  He'll get 250 PAs almost no matter what he does.

If Trumbo isn't tragically awful then he is about as good as the other two. If he is I don't think he will have a long leash.

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If Trumbo isn't tragically awful then he is about as good as the other two. If he is I don't think he will have a long leash.

The difference between Trumbo and Valencia/Alvarez will not be what makes or breaks this season.  When he led the league in homers he wasn't even an average player. We're talking maybe a two win swing in moderately crazy scenarios.  

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I gave them a B.  What I wanted this offseason was for the O's to choose a direction--either commit to winning with this group of players or commit to rebuilding. 

They chose trying to win with this group of players, and I think they did a good job addressing the starting rotation and giving themselves a chance to win this season.  

I would have given them an A had they  extended Schoop and/or Manny and resolved Buck and Duquette's status, because that would have signaled a commitment to winning beyond this year.  Instead this season feels like it will be a last hurrah before the winter.  

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5 minutes ago, DrungoHazewood said:

Maybe, but I think that's the type of thing you can over do and convince yourself that a single good pitcher is worth 10 wins for us.  But then what of the Dodgers and Darvish or the Phils and Arrieta?  Did they just sign 4 or 5 win pitchers to get 12?

Well, to some extent it boils down to who they are replacing.    El Gordo has posted a few times about the usefulness of Quality Starts.   I did some research a while ago that showed that over the last few years, the O's have won about 2/3 of the time that they have a quality start, and 1/3 of the time when they don't have a QS.    So if Cobb gives you 18 QS and Wright et al. would give you 6, that would be worth about 6 wins even though WAR might not say that.

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The difference between Trumbo and Valencia/Alvarez will not be what makes or breaks this season.  When he led the league in homers he wasn't even an average player. We're talking maybe a two win swing in moderately crazy scenarios.  

Exactly. Davis' performance is more important. 

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Well, to some extent it boils down to who they are replacing.    El Gordo has posted a few times about the usefulness of Quality Starts.   I did some research a while ago that showed that over the last few years, the O's have won about 2/3 of the time that they have a quality start, and 1/3 of the time when they don't have a QS.    So if Cobb gives you 18 QS and Wright et al. would give you 6, that would be worth about 6 wins even though WAR might not say that.

What the O's tend to do with their superior pen is win more games than they have QS by between 15 -20.. Gausman, Bundy, Cashner, and Cobb combined for 67 QS last year. If they can repeat that, and with at least 10 QS from #5(Tillman, Castro, Cortes,etc, combined) we could be in the vacinty of 90 W.

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