Sisco is playing himself off the 25-man in today's game (Gamethreadish)

[backwardsk]

1 minute ago, Can_of_corn said:

You wouldn't.

That's not what I got out of your post above.

[Can_of_corn]

Just now, backwardsk said:

That's not what I got out of your post above.

How big are the rosters in September?

[Legend_Of_Joey]

3 minutes ago, sportsfan8703 said:

Sisco puts up a ST with a 1.300+ OPS. Barely any mention on here throughout ST.

Sisco makes a mental and throwing error in a game. 10 page thread. 

Why so much negativity towards the dude?

Negativity? Most of the posts here have been praising him.

He is a great hitter. Everyone knew that going in. But the debate still goes on how he will do on defense. When he screws up a defensive play and it gets pointed out, its going to be the long thread between people pointing out the glaring issue that has been well known and how it should be handled vs. the people that only care about his hitting and believe that he should be the starting catcher only because he can hit.

[backwardsk]

2 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

How big are the rosters in September?

69?  I get it.

[Can_of_corn]

1 minute ago, Legend_Of_Joey said:

Negativity? Most of the posts here have been praising him.

He is a great hitter. Everyone knew that going in. But the debate still goes on how he will do on defense. When he screws up a defensive play and it gets pointed out, its going to be the long thread between people pointing out the glaring issue that has been well known and how it should be handled vs. the people that only care about his hitting and believe that he should be the starting catcher only because he can hit.

I think you are forgetting the group that acknowledges his defensive deficiencies but doesn't think they are likely to be very damaging.

[Can_of_corn]

1 minute ago, backwardsk said:

69?  I get it.

So you saw where I said the service time only triggers if the team roster is 25 or 26 right?

September call ups would not trigger a service year under my scenario.

[Legend_Of_Joey]

2 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

I think you are forgetting the group that acknowledges his defensive deficiencies but doesn't think they are likely to be very damaging.

See: Mainly second ground.

If he was a .200 hitter with his catching issues, would we even care about him?

[backwardsk]

1 minute ago, Can_of_corn said:

So you saw where I said the service time only triggers if the team roster is 25 or 26 right?

September call ups would not trigger a service year under my scenario.

I did.

[Can_of_corn]

1 minute ago, backwardsk said:

I did.

So now I'm confused.  What would be stopping a team from calling up a Hays or a Sisco once rosters expand?

Sure it might stop them from calling them up in July but I don't see where that is a huge problem.

[weams]

9 minutes ago, Legend_Of_Joey said:

Negativity? Most of the posts here have been praising him.

He is a great hitter. Everyone knew that going in. But the debate still goes on how he will do on defense. When he screws up a defensive play and it gets pointed out, its going to be the long thread between people pointing out the glaring issue that has been well known and how it should be handled vs. the people that only care about his hitting and believe that he should be the starting catcher only because he can hit.

I'm ok with the long threads debating whether his worth overall makes up for the fact that his throws and footwork are not perfect. 

[Can_of_corn]

 

3 minutes ago, Legend_Of_Joey said:

See: Mainly second ground.

If he was a .200 hitter with his catching issues, would we even care about him?

The question is does his offensive contributions outweigh his defensive deficiencies?

Some folks I feel put more weight on the defensive part than the numbers actually suggest is reasonable.

[weams]

7 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

I think you are forgetting the group that acknowledges his defensive deficiencies but doesn't think they are likely to be very damaging.

Yep. That would be me. Then again., I never bought into the Teagarden hype. Even when he roided.

[Can_of_corn]

Just now, weams said:

Yep. That would be me. Then again., I never bought into the Teagarden hype. Even when he roided.

Plenty of quality catchers have allowed 100+ stolen bases in a season.

I don't think it leads to a lot of runs and that only a handful of guys can really hurt you on the bases.

[weams]

Just now, Can_of_corn said:

 

The question is does his offensive contributions outweigh his defensive deficiencies?

Some folks I feel put more weight on the defensive part than the numbers actually suggest is reasonable.

It's a thing that the defensive framing metrics have skewed for years.  It's really hard to tell what makes a catcher valuable anymore. For Earl, it was simple. Hit 30 bombs. Lefthanded. The White Whale. 

[weams]

Just now, Can_of_corn said:

Plenty of quality catchers have allowed 100+ stolen bases in a season.

I don't think it leads to a lot of runs and that only a handful of guys can really hurt you on the bases.

Plus, even Rickey ran himself into plenty of outs.