Mancini LF, Santander RF, Rasmus DH

[DJHJR86]

8 minutes ago, Frobby said:

Buck gave his reason here: http://www.masnsports.com/school-of-roch/2018/04/showalter-on-cobb-trumbo-leadoff-spot-and-more.html.   Basically, if he pinch hits for Rasmus as an OF, he may need to make two moves - one to pinch hit, the second to sub on defense.   At DH it’s only one move.   Personally I think that’s a very weak justification.  

That's actually a decent justification, IMO.  Rasmus is garbage at the plate so he's obviously going to be a candidate for a pinch hitter in a close game.

[Tx Oriole]

7 hours ago, sportsfan8703 said:

Why does Buck keep doing this?  Is Mancini really better than Rasmus or Santander in LF?  Is Rasmus a little hurt?  Does Mancini not like to DH?  What gives?

Seems like to me we could be rotating guys through the DH spot while we have the chance. Put the best defensive lineup out there and give some guys a day off in the field at least. 

I’m glad we won but I wish the beat reporters would find this out. 

Why isn't a win enough for you? I couldn't care less where Buck plays his guys. I don't care if Mancini is at 1st, LF or DH. 

[wildbillhiccup]

On 4/4/2018 at 6:53 AM, VaBird1 said:

I would think it helps Rasmus make it through the year healthy if he DHs sometimes.  He has been good when healthy.

Colby Rasmus has NEVER been good. 

 

Year	Age	Tm	Lg	G	PA	AB	R	H	2B	3B	HR	RBI	SB	CS	BB	SO	BA	OBP	SLG	OPS	OPS+	TB	GDP	HBP	SH	SF	IBB	Pos	Awards
2009	22	STL	NL	147	520	474	72	119	22	2	16	52	3	1	36	95	.251	.307	.407	.714	89	193	5	3	5	2	3	*8/79	RoY-8
2010	23	STL	NL	144	534	464	85	128	28	3	23	66	12	8	63	148	.276	.361	.498	.859	132	231	5	1	2	4	9	*8/D
2011	24	TOT	MLB	129	526	471	75	106	24	6	14	53	5	2	50	116	.225	.298	.391	.688	88	184	10	0	2	3	2	*8
2011	24	STL	NL	94	386	338	61	83	14	6	11	40	5	2	45	77	.246	.332	.420	.753	108	142	8	0	1	2	2	8
2011	24	TOR	AL	35	140	133	14	23	10	0	3	13	0	0	5	39	.173	.201	.316	.517	37	42	2	0	1	1	0	8
2012	25	TOR	AL	151	625	565	75	126	21	5	23	75	4	3	47	149	.223	.289	.400	.689	86	226	7	7	2	4	5	*8/D
2013	26	TOR	AL	118	458	417	57	115	26	1	22	66	0	1	37	135	.276	.338	.501	.840	127	209	4	3	0	1	0	*8/D
2014	27	TOR	AL	104	376	346	45	78	21	1	18	40	4	0	29	124	.225	.287	.448	.735	105	155	1	1	0	0	2	8/D
2015	28	HOU	AL	137	485	432	67	103	23	2	25	61	2	1	47	154	.238	.314	.475	.789	116	205	6	2	1	3	0	*789
2016	29	HOU	AL	107	417	369	38	76	10	0	15	54	4	1	43	121	.206	.286	.355	.641	77	131	5	0	1	4	0	789/D
2017	30	TBR	AL	37	129	121	17	34	7	1	9	23	1	0	7	45	.281	.318	.579	.896	138	70	1	0	0	1	2	7/9D8
2018	31	BAL	AL	7	20	18	1	2	1	0	0	0	0	0	1	11	.111	.200	.167	.367	7	3	0	1	0	0

[Enjoy Terror]

He only has three seasons (out of 10) where I’d want him on my team, but to say he’s never been good is just incorrect.

[Tony-OH]

48 minutes ago, Frobby said:

Buck gave his reason here: http://www.masnsports.com/school-of-roch/2018/04/showalter-on-cobb-trumbo-leadoff-spot-and-more.html.   Basically, if he pinch hits for Rasmus as an OF, he may need to make two moves - one to pinch hit, the second to sub on defense.   At DH it’s only one move.   Personally I think that’s a very weak justification.  

Makes sense to me honestly. Add in the fact that Rasmus has a weaker arm than Santander and is not significantly better defensively, and it makes some sense.

[Babypowder]

30 minutes ago, wildbillhiccup said:

Colby Rasmus has NEVER been good. 

 

Year	Age	Tm	Lg	G	PA	AB	R	H	2B	3B	HR	RBI	SB	CS	BB	SO	BA	OBP	SLG	OPS	OPS+	TB	GDP	HBP	SH	SF	IBB	Pos	Awards
2009	22	STL	NL	147	520	474	72	119	22	2	16	52	3	1	36	95	.251	.307	.407	.714	89	193	5	3	5	2	3	*8/79	RoY-8
2010	23	STL	NL	144	534	464	85	128	28	3	23	66	12	8	63	148	.276	.361	.498	.859	132	231	5	1	2	4	9	*8/D
2011	24	TOT	MLB	129	526	471	75	106	24	6	14	53	5	2	50	116	.225	.298	.391	.688	88	184	10	0	2	3	2	*8
2011	24	STL	NL	94	386	338	61	83	14	6	11	40	5	2	45	77	.246	.332	.420	.753	108	142	8	0	1	2	2	8
2011	24	TOR	AL	35	140	133	14	23	10	0	3	13	0	0	5	39	.173	.201	.316	.517	37	42	2	0	1	1	0	8
2012	25	TOR	AL	151	625	565	75	126	21	5	23	75	4	3	47	149	.223	.289	.400	.689	86	226	7	7	2	4	5	*8/D
2013	26	TOR	AL	118	458	417	57	115	26	1	22	66	0	1	37	135	.276	.338	.501	.840	127	209	4	3	0	1	0	*8/D
2014	27	TOR	AL	104	376	346	45	78	21	1	18	40	4	0	29	124	.225	.287	.448	.735	105	155	1	1	0	0	2	8/D
2015	28	HOU	AL	137	485	432	67	103	23	2	25	61	2	1	47	154	.238	.314	.475	.789	116	205	6	2	1	3	0	*789
2016	29	HOU	AL	107	417	369	38	76	10	0	15	54	4	1	43	121	.206	.286	.355	.641	77	131	5	0	1	4	0	789/D
2017	30	TBR	AL	37	129	121	17	34	7	1	9	23	1	0	7	45	.281	.318	.579	.896	138	70	1	0	0	1	2	7/9D8
2018	31	BAL	AL	7	20	18	1	2	1	0	0	0	0	0	1	11	.111	.200	.167	.367	7	3	0	1	0	0

This is just straight up false.

[Frobby]

4 minutes ago, Tony-OH said:

Makes sense to me honestly. Add in the fact that Rasmus has a weaker arm than Santander and is not significantly better defensively, and it makes some sense.

I think we’re really talking about Mancini, not Santander.   My problem with it is I’d rather have the better defender out there for the first 6-7 innings than worry about the hypothetical possibility of needing to make a double move sometime in the last three innings.   The issue may never come up, and even if it does, we’ve got enough guys on the bench to pull off the double move if needed.     

[Natty]

I believe that Buck is hoping that with more playing time in lf, Mancini will improve with experience. 

[Babypowder]

14 minutes ago, Natty said:

I believe that Buck is hoping that with more playing time in lf, Mancini will improve with experience. 

Mancini's biggest problem in left is athleticism, that won't improve with reps.

[Aristotelian]

Buck is playing the long game. Mancini is going to be a very important part of this team for years to come, but he is blocked by Davis and Trumbo. If he is going to stick in the OF, he might as well get reps early in the season.

What Buck should do is take Davis out any time we have a lead, with Mancini to 1B and Gentry/Rasmus to LF.

[Frobby]

8 minutes ago, Babypowder said:

Mancini's biggest problem in left is athleticism, that won't improve with reps.

That may be his biggest problem, but I do believe his overall fielding should improve with experience.   He improved significantly over the course of last season IMO.

[Tony-OH]

1 hour ago, Frobby said:

I think we’re really talking about Mancini, not Santander.   My problem with it is I’d rather have the better defender out there for the first 6-7 innings than worry about the hypothetical possibility of needing to make a double move sometime in the last three innings.   The issue may never come up, and even if it does, we’ve got enough guys on the bench to pull off the double move if needed.     

Ok, but I don't think it's hypothetical. Rasmus is the only guy you are going to pinch hit for if the Yankees bring in a left-hander. It doesn't necessarily mean they have t do a double move or something. Santander switch hits and Mancini is batting against everyone, so why not DH Rasmus so you can use Valencia late in the game if the Yankees bring in a lefty. At this point in his career, I don't think Rasmus is that much better of a defender wherever he plays.

[Frobby]

1 minute ago, Tony-OH said:

Ok, but I don't think it's hypothetical. Rasmus is the only guy you are going to pinch hit for if the Yankees bring in a left-hander. It doesn't necessarily mean they have t do a double move or something. Santander switch hits and Mancini is batting against everyone, so why not DH Rasmus so you can use Valencia late in the game if the Yankees bring in a lefty. At this point in his career, I don't think Rasmus is that much better of a defender wherever he plays.

I haven’t seen enough of Rasmus this year to say for sure how much of a defensive advantage he has over Mancini or Santander.   I guess my reaction is that if he’s not substantially better, I don’t know why he’s on the team.   For a pure LH DH, I’d rather go with Pedro Alvarez (even though he’s a slow starter).    But I do think Rasmus probably is substantially better on defense than Mancini, and noticeably better than Santander.    

When I said “hypothetical,” what I meant is the pinch hit situation really only comes up in certain situations where the game is close and the Yankees are playing match-up.

[Aristotelian]

2 hours ago, Babypowder said:

Mancini's biggest problem in left is athleticism, that won't improve with reps.

Sure, his upside out there is probably Steve Pearce. But we should not forget that Mancini was thrown into the OF without playing there in the minors. I have to think he will get better the longer he is out there, even if he maxes out at 0 dWAR. 

[gmelson26]

4 hours ago, DJHJR86 said:

That's actually a decent justification, IMO.  Rasmus is garbage at the plate so he's obviously going to be a candidate for a pinch hitter in a close game.

Then why DH him in the first place?  I'd rather see Pedro DHing, than Rasmus.