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Service time of Sisco, Scott, and Hays.

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Rough estimates:

This season has 186 service days. If any of these players reaches 172 days of service, we lose a full year of control.

Sisco would need to be down in AAA for about 16 more days in order to get an extra year of control. Would probably be a super two guy.

Scott can stay up all year and we will still have 6 more years of control. Let him go through the MLB growing pains.

Austin Hays would have to be in the minors until around mid-may of 2019 to have six more years of him. Should be easy as he has had a wasted year.

I calculated by looking at service days of 2018 and did the math based on the service time already accrued by these guys.

Mullins should be called up like yesterday. He will be up in September at the latest and should be on the opening day roster of 2019. He shouldn't drudge around in AAA for an extra year, which would take a lot of service time manipulation.

Some younger guys could be worth the service time manipulation, but Mullins is almost 24. Next year, guys like Yusniel Diaz, Tate(24 but he is a bit of a late bloomer), Akin, Ortiz might be worth manipulation of service time.

Did all of this for MLB The Show 18 franchise mode lol

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I understand wanting to get as much time out of them as you can. But, it's useless if they never pan out in the majors. And the only way to find out is to play them. The guys you listed aren't exactly can't miss prospects (no prospect can be guaranteed) like a Machado.

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I'd get Mullins up now. Jones moves to RF. Stewart in September and given the opportunity to win the LF job next spring.

If Hays can rebound the remainder of this year I'd like to see him start in Norfolk next year with a quick promotion, mid may like you talk about, in 2019. 

Keep Sisco down until September to keep that 6th year but he should be all in as starter next year to see what hes got. 

Scott, I agree, keep him up and keep him up next year as well unless he is awful.

Diaz I think would be similar to Hays- start in AAA and could be a call away if he starts hot. 

Mountcastle should have every opportunity to win a job next spring, but I'm ok with leaving him at AAA until we have the 7th year. 

 

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3 minutes ago, terpoh said:

I'd get Mullins up now. Jones moves to RF. Stewart in September and given the opportunity to win the LF job next spring.

If Hays can rebound the remainder of this year I'd like to see him start in Norfolk next year with a quick promotion, mid may like you talk about, in 2019. 

 Keep Sisco down until September to keep that 6th year but he should be all in as starter next year to see what hes got. 

 Scott, I agree, keep him up and keep him up next year as well unless he is awful.

 Diaz I think would be similar to Hays- start in AAA and could be a call away if he starts hot. 

Mountcastle should have every opportunity to win a job next spring, but I'm ok with leaving him at AAA until we have the 7th year. 

  

I would bring Mullins and Stewart up today.  DFA Valencia and send down whomever else they want.  See what an outfield of Stewart, Mullins and Jones look like. Like you said the 21 year old guys are the guys you worry about service time not 24 year old guys.  

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2 minutes ago, atomic said:

I would bring Mullins and Stewart up today.  DFA Valencia and send down whomever else they want.  See what an outfield of Stewart, Mullins and Jones look like. Like you said the 21 year old guys are the guys you worry about service time not 24 year old guys.  

1.  There are worse spare parts on this team than Valencia.  An injury here or there (say to like a Jake Lamb) could still present minimal trade value.

2.  Service time, as we have seen, is the golden currency of MLB.  It always matters, especially if a guys service time is going to be running out at any time before or during their prime years of 27-30.  That is true of anyone age 18-25.

Great OP BTW.

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40 minutes ago, atomic said:

I would bring Mullins and Stewart up today.  DFA Valencia and send down whomever else they want.  See what an outfield of Stewart, Mullins and Jones look like. Like you said the 21 year old guys are the guys you worry about service time not 24 year old guys.  

How can you DFA Valencia when he's our only effective relief pitcher?

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6 minutes ago, NCRaven said:

How can you DFA Valencia when he's our only effective relief pitcher?

WHAT???...ok wise acre....when he get's as many innings under his belt as Crush Davis.  Get back to me.  Personally, I'd like to see Valencia as the eighth inning guy and Davis as the closer...

ps your post made coffee come out of my nose.

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I would manipulate as many prospect's service time as I can to get the extra year of control. They may never pan out but, there is no reason to have any true prospect loose a year of control for service time the rest of this year or first two months next year. Let them come up in September and then start next year back down and target June/July to start to bring them up. I don't care if they are 24-25 yo. Nothing wrong with extending control into age 30-31 seasons. Could work out better as they run through most of their prime years before FA hits.

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20 minutes ago, MCO'sFan said:

I would manipulate as many prospect's service time as I can to get the extra year of control. They may never pan out but, there is no reason to have any true prospect loose a year of control for service time the rest of this year or first two months next year. Let them come up in September and then start next year back down and target June/July to start to bring them up. I don't care if they are 24-25 yo. Nothing wrong with extending control into age 30-31 seasons. Could work out better as they run through most of their prime years before FA hits.

Exactly - the only reason not to at this point would be if there is a pressing need on the big league club that said prospect will fill to enable the team to win (as was arguably the case with Schoop).  We won't be winning much the next couple years, so preserving the extra year of control is vital.  It should be done for everyone.

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