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8 minutes ago, Ohfan67 said:

I'm a Jones fan, but I could care less if he gets to play the rest of the season. The only thing interesting to me is playing newbies. Stewart had a poor second half, was a weird first round pick, etc., but I still want to see him play. I find that about a million times more interesting than watching Adam play right field. And the "respect" thing is media hogwash. The Orioles don't owe Adam anything. He got to rule the roost for several years.

Agree if Stewart was playing when Jones sat But the Four AAA club guys were playing the outfield. I find Joseph playing  fascinating. Both of them.

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6 minutes ago, Going Underground said:

Agree if Stewart was playing when Jones sat But the Four AAA club guys were playing the outfield. I find Joseph playing  fascinating. Both of them.

I think they are just rewarding Corban for a good season the way some teams do for veteran MiL players at the end of the year. 

As far as Caleb continuing to play I don’t know what to say.  

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3 minutes ago, eddie83 said:

Two things. 

If was hurting at all then why did he keep playing at AAA?, and second if that was the case just tell us that.  

I dont know, which is why my first thought it was a personal matter, that he needed to address.

If Caleb continues to play, it tells you they have no faith in their other catchers.

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47 minutes ago, Going Underground said:

Agree if Stewart was playing when Jones sat But the Four AAA club guys were playing the outfield. I find Joseph playing  fascinating. Both of them.

Oh I am on the same page as you regarding those guys. I have no idea why they even acquired Andreoli, why they are paying him and Gentry, etc., etc. My comments were really about the fake crying over Jones' playing time and angst over calling up Stewart. I don't care if they play Jones in right or don't play him at all, but I want to see Stewart and Mullins in the OF for my viewing pleasure. 

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2 hours ago, Tony-OH said:

We will see. But as I showed before, Sisco has a histrionically bad K rate for over 150 PAs to start a career. The only position players with similar K rates never had more than 300 PAs in their careers.

My issue with Sisco is that he has a slow bat and you can't really overcome that. Major league pitchers figured that out so they pound him in with fastballs and when he starts to cheat they throw him offspeed and he can't handle it. Sisco seems to only be able to hit offspeed when he's guessing offspeed. 

I hope I'm wrong, but I didn't see a guy struggling to make adjustments to the major leagues, I saw a guy who doesn't have the bat speed to be successful in the major leagues. 
 

That sounds like a well thought out analysis.  Here's a link to one that's somewhat more in line with my comments - though again, I would have had him in the minors to at least start the season.  https://www.camdenchat.com/2018/6/18/17474288/baltimore-orioles-chance-sisco-prospect-option-2018

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2 hours ago, Tony-OH said:

We will see. But as I showed before, Sisco has a histrionically bad K rate for over 150 PAs to start a career. The only position players with similar K rates never had more than 300 PAs in their careers.

My issue with Sisco is that he has a slow bat and you can't really overcome that. Major league pitchers figured that out so they pound him in with fastballs and when he starts to cheat they throw him offspeed and he can't handle it. Sisco seems to only be able to hit offspeed when he's guessing offspeed. 

I hope I'm wrong, but I didn't see a guy struggling to make adjustments to the major leagues, I saw a guy who doesn't have the bat speed to be successful in the major leagues. 
 

Where did the slow bat come from?

I'm looking at the OH 2017 lists.  The one from April 5 2017, by you Tony, says this about Sisco

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Chance Sisco – ? The consensus #1 prospect by most, Sisco’s bat is not really a question mark as he’s going to hit in the major leagues, the question is whether he can stick at catcher and whether he has the work ethic and desire to get better back there with his throwing. If he has to move to left field, the pressure for his power to develop will increase and his value decreases.

The one from Nov 12, also by you Tony:

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Chance Sisco (C) – Put up his worse full season offensive numbers in his career, but flashed some occasional power and improved a bit defensively. Still question marks on whether he can hit left-handed pitching and be good enough defensively to control the running game.

I don't see anything about a slow bat.

If this is such an obvious deal breaker for him as a hitter how come it wasn't evident earlier?

Has he lost bat speed?  Is it something that he changed in his swing mechanics?

 

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1 hour ago, Can_of_corn said:

Where did the slow bat come from?

I'm looking at the OH 2017 lists.  The one from April 5 2017, by you Tony, says this about Sisco

The one from Nov 12, also by you Tony:

I don't see anything about a slow bat.

If this is such an obvious deal breaker for him as a hitter how come it wasn't evident earlier?

Has he lost bat speed?  Is it something that he changed in his swing mechanics?

 

I too would like to see Tony elaborate. I don't think this was ever identified in any published scouting reports. Baseball America, for example, said last September that, "He handles good velocity..." see https://www.baseballamerica.com/stories/what-to-expect-chance-sisco/

Sisco was always identified as a bat first player with several scouting reports saying that his bat would play in the majors, but that his defense was suspect, including the report linked above. 

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25 minutes ago, Ohfan67 said:

I too would like to see Tony elaborate. I don't think this was ever identified in any published scouting reports. Baseball America, for example, said last September that, "He handles good velocity..." see https://www.baseballamerica.com/stories/what-to-expect-chance-sisco/

Sisco was always identified as a bat first player with several scouting reports saying that his bat would play in the majors, but that his defense was suspect, including the report linked above. 

Most of what I read about Sisco is that he'd be a high average player with nominal HR power, but the question was defense. 

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