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Update: Tim Beckham and Caleb Joseph Non-tendered

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mdbdotcom Hangout Grand Counsel

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5 hours ago, crawjo said:

Avi Garcia is not some game-changer in the standings. But he put up a 138 OPS+ in 2017 and is still only 27. 

"Only 27" means 30 when we are ready to win. 

I'd rather not take time away from Mullins, Stewart, Hays, Diaz and McKenna over the next two years so we can identify our outfield strengths and weaknesses and work to replace those weaknesses with players who will still be in their 20s in three years. Some of those players likely will not be ready to start 2019 on the big league club, but I'd rather fill in with guys like Rickard that block them with someone like Garcia.

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I haven't read the whole thread, but I think infield defense is key.  

Remember the 30-3 game vs. the Rangers, and other games of that era?  Did the thought ever cross your mind during one of those blowouts that maybe we would never get out of the inning, and the onslaught would go on forever?  It's conceivable: one team could be so lousy that they are incapable of getting enough outs in an inning to move the game along.  Then what would they do?

I don't want an error to extend one of those types of innings, of which we are sure to see several of next year.

Just get the outs you are supposed to get.

That rules out Beckham at short.

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11 hours ago, mdbdotcom said:

"Only 27" means 30 when we are ready to win. 

I'd rather not take time away from Mullins, Stewart, Hays, Diaz and McKenna over the next two years so we can identify our outfield strengths and weaknesses and work to replace those weaknesses with players who will still be in their 20s in three years. Some of those players likely will not be ready to start 2019 on the big league club, but I'd rather fill in with guys like Rickard that block them with someone like Garcia.

Exactly. I still don't think people fully understand what a rebuild is. We're going to suck for a few years. There's no getting around it. A 27 year old overrated player adds zero value to this team. 

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On 11/30/2018 at 10:21 PM, OsFanSinceThe80s said:

Just hearing Birdland gives me flashbacks to the mid-2000’s Orioles and that awful marketing campaign.  

The Birdland campaign began in the mid-1980s. The idea was to market the imaginary Birdland -- rather than Baltimore -- to attract DC residents to attend games at Memorial Stadium.

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On 11/30/2018 at 10:26 PM, Dr. Unk said:

What am I gonna do with my Swaggy T shirt?

 

On 11/30/2018 at 10:28 PM, weams said:

It will one day be an epic collectible. Like a Randy Milligan Jersey. 

 

On 11/30/2018 at 10:29 PM, Moose Milligan said:

HEY.  Don't you dare equate the crappiness of Beckham with Randy Milligan, a man so far ahead of his time that no one understood how good he was.  

Maybe add it to my Brad Bergesen shirt and donate it to one of Roy's auctions. Do they auction gag items?

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3 hours ago, BarclaySouthway said:

I haven't read the whole thread, but I think infield defense is key.  

Remember the 30-3 game vs. the Rangers, and other games of that era?  Did the thought ever cross your mind during one of those blowouts that maybe we would never get out of the inning, and the onslaught would go on forever?  It's conceivable: one team could be so lousy that they are incapable of getting enough outs in an inning to move the game along.  Then what would they do?

I don't want an error to extend one of those types of innings, of which we are sure to see several of next year.

Just get the outs you are supposed to get.

That rules out Beckham at short.

Defense as a whole is key.  Sure, you want to develop your players who will be here long-term.  Chance SIsco needs to be paired with a strong, veteran catcher who can help him with the finer points of the position and help him with the pitching staff.  A Matt Wieters return, or a Martin Maldonado signing, would be perfect here.  Trey Mancini needs consistent ABs and a consistent position to grow.  Mullens needs time to learn to hit major league pitching, but there is no question his defense should be good.  

After you identify those players, then you go to look at defense first.  You want your young pitchers to at least be able to trust the defense behind them, and make their job easier, something we didn't have last year.  We need a defense-first short stop to pair with Villar- he is a 7 DRS player at 2B, versus a -3 SS.  Renato Nunez is a former top prospect who did well enough to get first shot at playing 3B next year- while he was a net 0 DRS, his UZR and UZR/150 ratings point to the positive end.  He is another player who should be given a chance to develop.  So this SS should be someone like Freddy Galvis, Jose Iglesias or Adeiny Hechavarria.  

A defense like that is a plus, and will help in the development of our pitchers, and we have a couple waves of them coming in the next 1.5 years.  

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