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2 hours ago, baltfan said:

On the Manny part of this, I always thought Manny wasn’t great to his left even at third.  Makes sense moved him slightly closer to 3rd.  Of course, SSS for these defensive stats

Looking at the diagram, it was just a jump to the left.....then a step to the right

 

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21 hours ago, Can_of_corn said:

Maybe.

It might also be hard to get funding for your project if the Manager, who holds a lot of sway, is dismissive of their efforts.

Buck is a guy who commands a room. He never struck me as a guy who wanted to sit down and be told something by some young guy/gal about baseball. I'm sure Buck thinks he was open to some analytics, but it;'s clear from players, to front office people, to agents of players that they would disagree about his openness to receiving and using this information.

Lost in all of this was that Duquette wanted to apparently fire McDowell after last season but Buck being Buck, apparently said no. 

I personally think Buck is one of the last old school managers who likes to surround himself with old school coaches. They like hunches, trust their eyes, and like their guys, even to the point of being detrimental to the on field product.

This whole battles also shows that Duqette never had full control over baseball operations. If he couldn't get his on field coaching staff to accept the information he wanted them to, he should have replaced them. I don't think he ever had the power to do so and was hamstrung.

He was also hamstrung by the amount of money he could put into scouting and analytics as Ownership would blow $3 million of a Chris Tillman or Colby Rasmus vs putting that into those important areas.

Hopefully the Angelos brothers will hire a good baseball person to run baseball operations and give him the budget to make this organization first rate once again.

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On 10/11/2018 at 2:40 PM, Satyr3206 said:

You can scout and do whatever. You still have to hit, field, and pitch. No scouting or analytics will help with that.

Really?   If you are positioned where the ball is more likely to be hit, that doesn't help you field it better???

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5 hours ago, Tony-OH said:

This whole battles also shows that Duqette never had full control over baseball operations. If he couldn't get his on field coaching staff to accept the information he wanted them to, he should have replaced them. I don't think he ever had the power to do so and was hamstrung.

He was also hamstrung by the amount of money he could put into scouting and analytics as Ownership would blow $3 million of a Chris Tillman or Colby Rasmus vs putting that into those important areas.

Hopefully the Angelos brothers will hire a good baseball person to run baseball operations and give him the budget to make this organization first rate once again.

It's very curious that the rumors say the next GM will have more power and leeway than Dan was given.  My guess is there was so much bad blood with all involved, the boys are deciding to wipe the slate clean. 

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On 10/11/2018 at 2:43 PM, weams said:

There are only 800 fellows in the entire world that have the skills to do those things. Not 3000. Not 7500. That extra data helps them be league average or better. Those 800. 

I bet you could find 15 guys not in the mlb better than 15 guys on our team.  

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12 minutes ago, weams said:

I bet not. 

Certainly there are 15 players that have not played in the MLB (ie minor leaguers to this point) that are better than 15 guys on our team. Think Vladimir Guerrero, Jr. Probably the top 15 players on any reputable web site's top MLB prospects list would do the job. #15 on BA is Sixto Sanchez. I think he is better at this point than the 11th best player on the Orioles roster at the end of the 2018 season. The Orioles really do not have a whole lot of top end talent on their roster. I would trade Trey Mancini straight up today for Sixto Sanchez. Philadelphia would not make that deal. I would trade multiple players in the Orioles top 10 on the end of 2018 roster for Vladimir Guerrero, Jr. He is that good!

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On 10/11/2018 at 2:40 PM, Satyr3206 said:

You can scout and do whatever. You still have to hit, field, and pitch. No scouting or analytics will help with that.

It doesn't help to know where to pitch a guy to get him out?  Earl Weaver kept that stuff on index cards but it was still analytics.  Ridiculous to be so close minded to things. Just like stat people on here believe WAR no matter what even the ridiculous fanagraph pitching WAR.  You have to use Analytics but continually improve on them.

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