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1 minute ago, PaulFolk said:

Is this accurate? I would think you could continue to add and subtract from your roster from now until the Rule 5 draft on Dec. 13. If the Orioles, say, released three players tomorrow, that would give them three additional openings for the Rule 5 draft. Not that they would make use them all, of course.

I think your point is correct. 

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5 minutes ago, mdbdotcom said:

 

Deadline To Set 40-Man Rosters 

Your link comes back to this thread.

The deadline was to protect Rule 5 eligible players. Between now and the draft, the Orioles (or any team), can release, DFA, or trade a player and create another opening on the 40 if they want.

The Orioles currently have 2 openings. If they sign someone to a contract and take up a 40 man spot, then release someone from the 40 prior to the Rule 5 draft, they would be back at having 2 spots. 

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1 minute ago, Legend_Of_Joey said:

Your link comes back to this thread.

The deadline was to protect Rule 5 eligible players. Between now and the draft, the Orioles (or any team), can release, DFA, or trade a player and create another opening on the 40 if they want.

The Orioles currently have 2 openings. If they sign someone to a contract and take up a 40 man spot, then release someone from the 40 prior to the Rule 5 draft, they would be back at having 2 spots. 

Correct. That was always the rule I recall. 

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November 20th was the last day that a team could add players from their own organization to the 40 man roster.   It only applies to players in the team's minors.    

Teams can add players to the 40 man roster  from outside the organization right up to the Rule 5 draft. And they can also subtract players until the draft.

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2 minutes ago, Legend_Of_Joey said:

Your link comes back to this thread.

The deadline was to protect Rule 5 eligible players. Between now and the draft, the Orioles (or any team), can release, DFA, or trade a player and create another opening on the 40 if they want.

The Orioles currently have 2 openings. If they sign someone to a contract and take up a 40 man spot, then release someone from the 40 prior to the Rule 5 draft, they would be back at having 2 spots. 

Well then, I was wrong. But it sounded good to me!

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45 minutes ago, mdbdotcom said:

Well then, I was wrong. But it sounded good to me!

It's understandable. MLB classifies November 20th (or around there) as the "40 man deadline," when they really mean "deadline to protect Rule 5 eligible players."

Easy way to remember: The 40 man roster can ALWAYS change, 365 days a year. 

25 man rosters and certain "restrictions" (Rule 5 eligible players, post season roster eligibility, 60 day DL players after the season, ect) are the only roster moves that require a deadline.

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1 hour ago, Philip said:

We could almost assemble an entire roster of guys who are better than what we have from the non-tender list.

Sure, but the goal this year isn't to be good, it's to set the table so that we're good in 2021 and beyond. There's definitely a debate to be had about the value (in terms of attendance, morale, player development, etc.) of avoiding a miserable season, but Torreyes probably isn't good enough to push us into mediocrity, and he'd steal at-bats from players who will be with us going forward.

 

That being said, I have read Yankees fans saying that Torreyes is a good clubhouse guy, so maybe he's worth picking up for that reason? I think that's about it, and I imagine it would be tough to establish a journeyman platoon guy as a mentor for the younger guys. 

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32 minutes ago, sportsfan8703 said:

The fact that some people are against this on a one year deal is laughable. SS is pretty non existent right now in our system. We can offer him a full time position. Yeah we’re rebuilding but that doesn’t mean you don’t sign guys like this. 

The thing is, would he SIGN a 1 year deal in Baltimore? While the Orioles might offer him a 1 or 2 year contract (with the 2 year contract possibly being to sweeten the pot if they trade him if he plays well), a better team might offer him 3 or 4 years for more money as a starter.

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10 hours ago, sportsfan8703 said:

The fact that some people are against this on a one year deal is laughable. SS is pretty non existent right now in our system. We can offer him a full time position. Yeah we’re rebuilding but that doesn’t mean you don’t sign guys like this. 

Over four seasons he's played more games at 2B and 3B than he has at SS. Maybe he's a good utility option. At SS, he'd be a fill-in until a better option comes along; but if he's a good defender there, I'd rather have him than a bad defender who can hit. He might have a number of suitors. We'll see.

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10 minutes ago, mdbdotcom said:

Over four seasons he's played more games at 2B and 3B than he has at SS. Maybe he's a good utility option. At SS, he'd be a fill-in until a better option comes along; but if he's a good defender there, I'd rather have him than a bad defender who can hit. He might have a number of suitors. We'll see.

There’s a reason he wasn’t playing a lot of SS with NYY. Didi Gregorious. Not a lot of starts at SS to go around. Meanwhile, there was more opportunities at 2B and 3B. 

Just because the Yankees had Didi doesn’t make Torreyes no longer able to play SS. 

My plan at SS would be to sign Torreyes. Offer him everyday ABs. Then draft the SS from Oak in the rule 5 draft with the first pick. That gives us a floor of “respectability” and a ceiling of finding a long term solution. 

The system is barren at SS. 

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2 minutes ago, sportsfan8703 said:

There’s a reason he wasn’t playing a lot of SS with NYY. Didi Gregorious. Not a lot of starts at SS to go around. Meanwhile, there was more opportunities at 2B and 3B. 

Just because the Yankees had Didi doesn’t make Torreyes no longer able to play SS. 

My plan at SS would be to sign Torreyes. Offer him everyday ABs. Then draft the SS from Oak in the rule 5 draft with the first pick. That gives us a floor of “respectability” and a ceiling of finding a long term solution. 

The system is barren at SS. 

Your plan might be fine. I don't have a plan, I'm leaving it to Elias.

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3 minutes ago, mdbdotcom said:

Your plan might be fine. I don't have a plan, I'm leaving it to Elias.

Well that’s no fun for an offseason message board. What if Elias is Josh McDaniels?  Even Sam Hinkie didn’t last with the 76ers to see his process come to fruition. We will have our answer in a few years. More importantly we have 0 SSs above A ball. Torreyes seems like a pretty good fit. 

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9 minutes ago, sportsfan8703 said:

Well that’s no fun for an offseason message board. What if Elias is Josh McDaniels?  Even Sam Hinkie didn’t last with the 76ers to see his process come to fruition. We will have our answer in a few years. More importantly we have 0 SSs above A ball. Torreyes seems like a pretty good fit. 

I'm glad he makes you happy. 

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