Hyde's Decisions 2019

[eddie83]

1 minute ago, Yachtsman said:

How many would he throw after the end of that inning? Are you actually trying to argue a pitch limit at 80 providing an excuse to pull him mid-inning? You leave him in the dugout. How is this so difficult for you to comprehend?

If you don’t get a 9 inning no hitter then why does 6.1/3 instead of 7 innings matter? What is difference? 

He was never going 9. Never. 

[Bonecrusher52]

1 minute ago, Moose Milligan said:

OH MAN HE HAD TO WALK OFF THE MOUND IT'S SO EMBARRASSING!! 

What a problem that is.  Major league pitchers having to be pulled in the middle of an inning.  The horror!  

Bruh! Hess was crushed after Brandon Hyde motion for a pitcher change.

 

[Barnaby Graves]

6 minutes ago, mdbdotcom said:

It is a terrible thing for the Yankees that Miguel Andujar has a torn labrum. It is a good thing for the Orioles and David Hess that he does not.

Which he got despite a strict innings limit of no innings.

I guess there's some high-powered research that's been done which has driven the sport in the direction it's going.  Certainly velocities are up, and maybe how teams manage their pitchers is driving a lot of that; I don't know.

And I still think there needs to be some room for some more humanized decision making where you say, the guy is doing something really amazing and cool, and it's OK if he pushes his limits a bit.  Not just letting pitch count run the show.  And today, pitch count ran the show.  This wasn't a Daniel Cabrera 5 IP, 0 H, 9 BB, 10 K no-hitter.  He was basically cruising and people are using a few loud outs and his appearance some days ago to prop up robotic baseball-by-numbers.  And I don't really want to hear the "gee some people really like to complain about a win," because the pitchers succeeding him did about all they could to dismantle his pitching and the Orioles' offensive efforts.  Pulling him didn't really help anything.

[weams]

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Just now, Daddy-O's said:

I don't think Pitch Counts should dictate decisions but be part of the decision.  What if the score was 1 -  0?

We don't need to think that. The numbers guys in baseball make it so. 

[eddie83]

Just now, backwardsk said:

Alberto got a hit in game 1.

Pinch hit in 9th inning. Hasn’t started. 

[weams]

Just now, Barnaby Graves said:

Which he got despite a strict innings limit of no innings.

I guess there's some high-powered research that's been done which has driven the sport in the direction it's going.  Certainly velocities are up, and maybe how teams manage their pitchers is driving a lot of that; I don't know.

And I still think there needs to be some room for some more humanized decision making where you say, the guy is doing something really amazing and cool, and it's OK if he pushes his limits a bit.  Not just letting pitch count run the show.  And today, pitch count ran the show.  This wasn't a Daniel Cabrera 5 IP, 0 H, 9 BB, 10 K no-hitter.  He was basically cruising and people are using a few loud outs and his appearance some days ago to prop up robotic baseball-by-numbers.  And I don't really want to hear the "gee some people really like to complain about a win," because the pitchers succeeding him did about all they could to dismantle his pitching and the Orioles' offensive efforts.  Pulling him didn't really help anything.

I don't always think the new age stuff is about health but in outcome prediction.

[weams]

1 minute ago, eddie83 said:

Pinch hit in 9th inning. Hasn’t started. 

Alberto probably is not a starter. 

[weams]

4 minutes ago, Yachtsman said:

How many would he throw after the end of that inning? Are you actually trying to argue a pitch limit at 80 providing an excuse to pull him mid-inning? You leave him in the dugout. How is this so difficult for you to comprehend?

I am telling you that he was graded at 80 pitches before the start. That is what I am saying. 

[atomic]

Just now, weams said:

I don't always think the new age stuff is about health but in outcome prediction.

Yeah I dont think anyone has any clue on how to keep pitchers healthy. 

[Frobby]

52 minutes ago, Rene88 said:

70 pitches. 

 

Awful awful awful decision. If you think otherwise than you just like to play contrarian and get people bent out of shape like Frobby & Corn. I doubt either of them actually think that, they just enjoy the reaction.

Not 70 pitches.   82.   And he pitched 3 days ago.   

[weams]

5 minutes ago, Yachtsman said:

How many would he throw after the end of that inning? Are you actually trying to argue a pitch limit at 80 providing an excuse to pull him mid-inning? You leave him in the dugout. How is this so difficult for you to comprehend?

I am having no problem understanding you. I just am disagreeing with you.

[DirtyBird]

5 minutes ago, Rene88 said:

We are discussing an obvious stupid decision on a board with people that just relish in disagreement. 

Guy I know posted on FB the other day “I went over to the OH the other day looking for insight...and well learned my lesson there, I don’t know what I was thinking”

Our combined no hitter was unique because Milacki couldn’t go more than 4-5 ever. This is not that. And even if it was...you let him finish because it doesn’t matter to us, but it matters a hell of a lot to David Hess.

Sometimes there aren’t 2 sides to an issue...one side must argue alone for their jollies.

To be honest, nobody cares what your friend posted on FB. Aside from you,  none of his FB friends even care. Most of them probably have him muted.

[eddie83]

4 minutes ago, mdbdotcom said:

Alberto got a hit on opening day. 6.2 innings is not a short outing. 5.1 innings would be 80 pitches for a guy averaging 15 per inning.

What do you think I am saying? 

My point is we are keeping a bench player who never plays and using an opener with a staff that until tonight hasn’t gone deep. It won’t work. 

[SteveA]

1 minute ago, tntoriole said:

I didn’t say that and wasn’t upset by the decision really ...if, and this is a very big if, I was going to give him a shot at it, then I would have taken it to a max of 100-108 and only then if he was only still at 90-95 pitches through 8...if he got to 95 in the eighth I would have removed him too...or if there was a hit obviously or he tired in any fashion obviously. 

But frankly after being reminded by our manager in the presser of the two innings on Opening Day last Thursday...nope, I agree..it was fine...and I am happy with the win and his performance. 

My only point was everyone who said the 80 pitch limit was a total absolute limit might have felt differently if he was taken out in the ninth at 82 pitches.  But it was a great win, great performance....Go Os! 

I think there was probably an "80ish" pitch limit.   Tony pointed out in the game thread that he had never gone over 65 in spring training.    And he threw 42 pitches on Thursday.

The last out of the 6th and first out of the 7th was hard hit.   There was also a pitch in that first at bat in the 7th where he missed Sucre's target by so much that Sucre gave him a funny look..   I think that was all a factor.

I think by the time he got to the 7th approaching 80 pitches, they knew there was no way he was going to go 9.   So it became a matter of when to yank him.   And waiting for fate to make the decision by allowing a hit rather than making the best decision for Hess isn't how the new Orioles are going to operate,.

[mdbdotcom]

2 minutes ago, Barnaby Graves said:

Which he got despite a strict innings limit of no innings.

I guess there's some high-powered research that's been done which has driven the sport in the direction it's going.  Certainly velocities are up, and maybe how teams manage their pitchers is driving a lot of that; I don't know.

And I still think there needs to be some room for some more humanized decision making where you say, the guy is doing something really amazing and cool, and it's OK if he pushes his limits a bit.  Not just letting pitch count run the show.  And today, pitch count ran the show.  This wasn't a Daniel Cabrera 5 IP, 0 H, 9 BB, 10 K no-hitter.  He was basically cruising and people are using a few loud outs and his appearance some days ago to prop up robotic baseball-by-numbers.  And I don't really want to hear the "gee some people really like to complain about a win," because the pitchers succeeding him did about all they could to dismantle his pitching and the Orioles' offensive efforts.  Pulling him didn't really help anything.

From a human perspective, how about the fact that it's game 4 and both Elias and Hyde are new at their jobs and are going to err on the side of caution? And, they are in charge.