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1 minute ago, Enjoy Terror said:

The winner of the 1997 MVP award for the Tides was Roberto Petagine, and he won it two years in a row. 

Rick Dempsey was the manager for the 1997 Tides, a Mets affiliate.

He was 26.  He also played parts of seven seasons in the majors, which included a service gap from 1999-2004 when he played in Japan.

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22 minutes ago, Frobby said:

No.    Mountcastle’s performance is what it is, regardless of what awards he did or didn’t receive.    

George Springer was BA's #14 ranked prospect in the offseason of 2013-2014.  The Astros did not call him up at the end of the 2013 season and waited two weeks to call him up in 2014.   And he was a really good defensive outfielder.

At the end for ht 2019 season Springer will have 5 year 166 days of service time.   Had they called him up  in 2013 he would have been a free agent this off season.  But because they waited the have one more year before their control is gone.  

Springer sign a 2/24m contract for 2018/2019 but he is not signed for next year or any seasons after that.  He currently has a 937 OPS.

I am sure Elias is all over this.

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10 minutes ago, wildcard said:

George Springer was BA's #14 ranked prospect in the offseason of 2013-2014.  The Astros did not call him up at the end of the 2013 season and waited two weeks to call him up in 2014.   And he was a really good defensive outfielder.

At the end for ht 2019 season Springer will have 5 year 166 days of service time.   Had they called him up  in 2013 he would have been a free agent this off season.  But because they waited the have one more year before their control is gone.  

Springer sign a 2/24m contract for 2018/2019 but he is not signed for next year or any seasons after that.  He currently has a 937 OPS.

I am sure Elias is all over this.

Where does Mountcastle fall on the current BA list?

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36 minutes ago, wildcard said:

George Springer was BA's #14 ranked prospect in the offseason of 2013-2014.  The Astros did not call him up at the end of the 2013 season and waited two weeks to call him up in 2014.   And he was a really good defensive outfielder.

At the end for ht 2019 season Springer will have 5 year 166 days of service time.   Had they called him up  in 2013 he would have been a free agent this off season.  But because they waited the have one more year before their control is gone.  

Springer sign a 2/24m contract for 2018/2019 but he is not signed for next year or any seasons after that.  He currently has a 937 OPS.

I am sure Elias is all over this.

I’m sure he’s considering that.   But I don’t think Mountcastle winning the league MVP is going to sway his judgment.    Elias will decide what to do based on his evaluation of Mountcastle’s performance, not some award he won.    

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19 minutes ago, interloper said:

Wasn't Springer's non-promotion the cause of some negative media? I could see the same happening with Mountcastle to a much lesser degree aka Heyman. 

Well, Springer was a much higher rated prospect than Mountcastle.   The Astros actually offered him a long term deal before the 2014 season began (7/$23 mm), which he rejected.    So, they played the service time game with him.    Perhaps they got some bad publicity; they also got an extra year of Springer.    

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25 minutes ago, Frobby said:

Well, Springer was a much higher rated prospect than Mountcastle.   The Astros actually offered him a long term deal before the 2014 season began (7/$23 mm), which he rejected.    So, they played the service time game with him.    Perhaps they got some bad publicity; they also got an extra year of Springer.    

And they did what many teams do in the same situation. Another reason I think that’s changed in the next CBA.

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21 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

I'm not sure how often it actually happens.  I think it is a bit more rare than folks here are suggesting.

While I don’t like quoting an article by ESPN reporter this pretty well sums it up.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/26514863/what-need-know-service-practices-mlb%3Fplatform%3Damp

Even if it’s not as common as people think, it’s done more than often with an eye on controlling time with name prospects or threatening demotion as a means to team friendly extensions.

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7 minutes ago, Il BuonO said:

While I don’t like quoting an article by ESPN reporter this pretty well sums it up.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/26514863/what-need-know-service-practices-mlb%3Fplatform%3Damp

Even if it’s not as common as people think, it’s done more than often with an eye on controlling time with name prospects or threatening demotion as a means to team friendly extensions.

Nice read.  I'm not saying it doesn't happen, just that it isn't that common and this piece doesn't disagree with that.  You have some posters here wanting to do it for guys that aren't even top 100 prospects.

Of the current O's minor leaguers I can only think of two that I would consider it.

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1 minute ago, Can_of_corn said:

Nice read.  I'm not saying it doesn't happen, just that it isn't that common and this piece doesn't disagree with that.  You have some posters here wanting to do it for guys that aren't even top 100 prospects.

Of the current O's minor leaguers I can only think of two that I would consider it.

Right and I didn’t want to give the impression I agree with that. But with the better prospects it does happen. 

I don’t fault the teams that do it though. It’s the system they currently have.

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Just now, Il BuonO said:

Right and I didn’t want to give the impression I agree with that. But with the better prospects it does happen. 

I don’t fault the teams that do it though. It’s the system they currently have.

Agreed.   However if the practice were to become widespread I'd quickly lose patience.  I'd much rather watch a Markakis or a Schoop make a team out of spring training.

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