I'm glad Elias called this out

[sportsfan8703]

1 minute ago, maybenxtyr said:

Excuses for what? When you look at this team, what would you have done differently?

 

Do you think signing some $3-5 million players will even get the team close to New York? This is absolutely the most dreadful team in the league... they're not going anywhere with mediocre signings.

If only Colby Rasmus would've worked out for us in 2018.  We spent more on him than we did on players in Dominican for 5 years.  

[bpilktree]

31 minutes ago, Frobby said:

I think Elias did a good job of portraying the situation realistically without throwing prior management under the bus.    

I think it was owner not necessarily management.  Peter was the one that wanted Davis back and i would bet he had his say on a few other things.  He knew he was on his way out and wanted a ring.  The front office pretty much has to listen to their boss. 

[interloper]

9 minutes ago, weams said:

Signing Manny and Britton and other moves would not have fixed the problems Elias identified in his statement. Elias would have traded them both. 

 

8 minutes ago, weams said:

And other than that insert, I agreed with your take. 

Fair and I pretty much agree with that. I appreciate the details, I think details are important and sometimes lacking when spouting opinions on the internet. I certainly didn't get those details from "you still don't get it", which only served to get me in a defensive posture. Turns out, we agree with what you were actually saying. 

I think my main point when mentioning Manny and Britton was just that maybe we could have signed up some young players while they were affordable. The money instead went to unfortunate FA signings and Trumbo. But yeah, coming in, Elias would almost certainly have traded those guys anyway. The problems with the organization were apparent even if they had managed another couple of winning seasons. 

[maybenxtyr]

1 minute ago, sportsfan8703 said:

If only Colby Rasmus would've worked out for us in 2018.  We spent more on him than we did on players in Dominican for 5 years.  

Exactly. I hate the process that the team is going through at the moment, but there's really not a lot of options. 

 

[weams]

1 minute ago, interloper said:

 

Fair and I pretty much agree with that. I appreciate the details, I think it's important and sometimes lacking when spouting opinions on the internet.

I think my main point when mentioning Manny and Britton was just that maybe we could have signed up some young players while they were affordable. The money instead went to unfortunate FA signings and Trumbo. But yeah, coming in, Elias would almost certainly have traded those guys anyway. The problems with the organization were apparent even if they managed another couple of winning seasons. 

I think we all miss the wildly successful run from the previous regime. They were masterful in having those five seasons as they were. But the price was enormous. Just as a tragic FA deal can cripple a franchise a run at the ring did the same here. 

Toronto. And Davis re-sign. The death sentence for the Orioles chances. 

[sportsfan8703]

4 minutes ago, weams said:

I think we all miss the wildly successful run from the previous regime. They were masterful in having those five seasons as they were. But the price was enormous. Just as a tragic FA deal can cripple a franchise a run at the ring did the same here. 

Toronto. And Davis re-sign. The death sentence for the Orioles chances. 

Toronto was huge thing.  Even though DD stayed we essentially lost him, because he lost a lot of control.  Plus we auto-piloted tended Matusz a contract and then lost a comp pick to get rid of him.  But Toronto was the first domino in the collapse, and ironically enough, losing to them in the 2016 WC game was the last domino of our run.  

[Frobby]

19 minutes ago, weams said:

I think we all miss the wildly successful run from the previous regime. They were masterful in having those five seasons as they were. But the price was enormous. Just as a tragic FA deal can cripple a franchise a run at the ring did the same here. 

Toronto. And Davis re-sign. The death sentence for the Orioles chances. 

I’d take issue with “wildly successful.”    Sure, I’ll gladly take one ALCS appearance/division crown, one wild card win and one wild card loss, and no losing seasons in a 5 year run.    But two 90+ win seasons and no WS appearance is not “wildly successful” in my view.    What’s true is that the previous 14 years were “wildly unsuccessful.”

[atomic]

1 hour ago, maybenxtyr said:

Excuses for what? When you look at this team, what would you have done differently?

 

Do you think signing some $3-5 million players will even get the team close to New York? This is absolutely the most dreadful team in the league... they're not going anywhere with mediocre signings.

Kept Bundy and Villar and traded Hall and Rodriquez for veteran pitchers.

[Dipper9]

46 minutes ago, Frobby said:

I’d take issue with “wildly successful.”    Sure, I’ll gladly take one ALCS appearance/division crown, one wild card win and one wild card loss, and no losing seasons in a 5 year run.    But two 90+ win seasons and no WS appearance is not “wildly successful” in my view.    What’s true is that the previous 14 years were “wildly unsuccessful.”

We did have the best overall record in the AL during that five year span, so even though it didn't result in a ring (injuries and suspensions derailed the 2014 team) I'd call that pretty successful, especially for a team as completely unsuccessful as we were during those 14 prior years.  

[Roll Tide]

1 hour ago, Frobby said:

I think Elias did a good job of portraying the situation realistically without throwing prior management under the bus.    

I think your evaluation is probably correct. Overextended....Not sure I buy it

[WalkWithElias]

31 minutes ago, atomic said:

Kept Bundy and Villar and traded Hall and Rodriquez for veteran pitchers.

We've reached the point of self parody. 

[maybenxtyr]

38 minutes ago, atomic said:

Kept Bundy and Villar and traded Hall and Rodriquez for veteran pitchers.

That situation may at best put the team around 70 wins. That doesn't really help anything out in the long term.

[atomic]

14 minutes ago, maybenxtyr said:

That situation may at best put the team around 70 wins. That doesn't really help anything out in the long term.

Sign a  couple of free agents.  We will be competing.  I think this we will get to 70 wins is just an excuse for not trying. If we traded Harvey and Bundy when they were  top prospects we might have won a World Series. 

[jerios55]

2 hours ago, atomic said:

Just excuses IMHO.

Even if you don't agree with how he's moving forward, can you honestly believe keeping the window opened 17-18 didn't have a impact on the minor leagues, especially when international was hardly a consideration?  That seems like delusional thinking.

I understand tanking sucks and things could be done to win now (even if not the best long term as he puts), but that doesn't change the situation he took over.  A team with Manny, Schoop, Davis (uggg...), multiple FA SPs and Britton, Jones... landed the first pick in the draft.

[Enjoy Terror]

2 hours ago, oriole said:

Oh yeah...things could have gone a lot different if Davis wasn’t signed or Britton was traded at his peak. Instead they made dumb decisions like signing Trumbo and letting Cruz walk. It seems so clear now in retrospect but to be honest, it seemed clear when the decisions were being made too. 

There was not a consensus about signing Cruz long term. He was getting four years from someone, and given his age and previous track record, it wasn't a sure thing. It just so happens that the Orioles were wrong, and we criticize the Orioles now with the benefit of hindsight. I don't think they made an incorrect decision.

 

EDIT: Here's the Poll thread.

 

75% of OHers voted to let Cruz walk.