How and when will MLB resume in 2020? Update: Owners Agree - Proposal Submitted to Union

[o'sfansince1970]

12 hours ago, atomic said:

You should wear a mask when you are around people not in your immediate family,  you are risking their lives.  It is like saying you should be able to drive 150 mph down the highway while drunk.  

Wow, that is quite an analogy.

[OsLuvrInKy]

3 hours ago, o'sfansince1970 said:

Wow, that is quite an analogy.

Consider the source. Enough said,

 

[Fla_O'sfan]

There have been 93 deaths among just NYC MTA workers alone. But we’re worried about people being told to wear a mask because it infringes on their rights?  
 

[scOtt]

32 minutes ago, Fla_O'sfan said:

There have been 93 deaths among just NYC MTA workers alone. But we’re worried about people being told to wear a mask because it infringes on their rights?  
 

Different people have different priorities, different perspectives, different opinions. I'm almost daily struck by some of the opinions espoused on Facebook by some of my dearest relatives. People I love very much. It is what it is.

[Mr. Chewbacca Jr.]

20 hours ago, Tony-OH said:

C'mon man, you can't be serious about number "juking" and then post an article from the NYTimes. haha...

I can't even fathom the thoughts process that think the COVID19 deaths are under reported. But you know what, I actually can at this point because almost everything we get nowadays from just about every source is tainted in some way. 

That's why I fall back to our rights. Let people make their own decision on how they want to protect themselves. If you wanna stay home, order your food in, and wear your mask 24 hours a day, feel free. If you wanna wear no mask, go to bars and restaurants or the ball game, feel free. People have to make a decision on whether they want to live their life like a recluse or enjoy freedom. 

For me, it's not even a question. 

Besides, how is our freedom making you or anyone else less safe if you are all wearing masks, social distancing and quarantining? This is one of those situations where again, some people are always willing to give up their freedom and rights for a little perceived safety. 

Benjamin Franklin said it best, ""Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

 

Tony, I'm sorry, but this is an incredibly dangerous and ill-informed take. I must speak up. We are talking about a very serious virus. Someone's decision on how to protect themselves has direct consequences for someone else who is trying to protect themselves. I can't believe this needs to be said, but viruses are contagious. If someone were to contract the virus through risky behavior in a crowded bar, they have absolutely no ability to stop themselves from spreading it to other people. Absolutely none.

This isn't like wearing a seatbelt or a lifejacket in a boat - the decision has direct consequences on other people. As Abraham Lincoln said, "My right to swing my fist ends where your nose begins." Or, the more direction version, "The liberty of one citizen ends where the liberty of another citizen begins." America is not a land of infinite freedom. It is a society, just like anywhere else - with rules, laws, and public health policy intended to create a safe society for everyone.

My grandmother died of COVID-19. She would only leave home to go to the grocery store and pickup her medication. She always wore a mask. She'd always complain about how many people were completely reckless, did not wear masks, did not respect social distancing. I'm sorry - but I must speak up. It absolutely astounds me that people are so resistant to wearing a piece of cloth that takes two seconds to put on - when it could save the lives of others. No one wants to be stuck in the house, but as a society, we must do what is right to fight this virus. The world does need to start reopening soon, but it needs to reopened in a smart way that is based on science, facts, and information - not Ben Franklin quotes taken completely out of context.

So, WEAR A MASK.

 

PS - This is a baseball site and the amount of misinformation here is astounding - and quite frankly dangerous. I encourage everyone to stick to commenting on MLB and the reports surrounding the plans for resumption in play.

[atomic]

5 hours ago, o'sfansince1970 said:

Wow, that is quite an analogy.

Seems pretty good to me.  I don’t know why everyone is so selfish these days,  it is all about themselves and F everyone else.

[atomic]

1 hour ago, scOtt said:

Different people have different priorities, different perspectives, different opinions. I'm almost daily struck by some of the opinions espoused on Facebook by some of my dearest relatives. People I love very much. It is what it is.

25 percent of Americans say they won’t get a vaccine for this if one becomes available.   Can’t make this stuff up.  

[o'sfansince1970]

How long are you willing to hide at home? Another month? 6 more? Another year? 2 years? Are you willing to sty home until the country goes bankrupt and the Chinese defeat us?

[Fla_O'sfan]

In Korea, where they ARE playing baseball, it became a sign of civic duty to wear masks. Their first death was the same day as the first death in the US. The death total due to Covid-19 in Korea is 256. The death total here, where not wearing masks has become some kind of a political statement is near 80,000. 

[MongoBoy]

4 hours ago, atomic said:

Seems pretty good to me.  I don’t know why everyone is so selfish these days,  it is all about themselves and F everyone else.

[MongoBoy]

3 hours ago, Fla_O'sfan said:

In Korea, where they ARE playing baseball, it became a sign of civic duty to wear masks. Their first death was the same day as the first death in the US. The death total due to Covid-19 in Korea is 256. The death total here, where not wearing masks has become some kind of a political statement is near 80,000. 

I'm sure the Koreans didn't shove Covid positive patients into nursing homes.

[Big Mac]

To be fair about the masks, people were told by public officials in prominent positions for a long time not to wear them because they weren't effective.  That has to be a significant factor in the resistance by some to wear masks. 

[atomic]

13 minutes ago, Big Mac said:

To be fair about the masks, people were told by public officials in prominent positions for a long time not to wear them because they weren't effective.  That has to be a significant factor in the resistance by some to wear masks. 

Yeah some guy on Nextdoor in early March was calling me all sorts of names for suggesting that I was going to wear a mask. I didn’t even say anyone else should. People are really stupid. Of course masks help.  Common sense stuff.

 

[backwardsk]

1 hour ago, Big Mac said:

To be fair about the masks, people were told by public officials in prominent positions for a long time not to wear them because they weren't effective.  That has to be a significant factor in the resistance by some to wear masks. 

A cloth mask doesn’t really help protect you as  an N95 mask, but it does a good job of preventing you from spreading it.  For example, if I don’t have it and wear a cloth mask and you have it and don’t wear a mask, I’m not really that safe.  Safer than not wearing anything, but not really safe.  However, if you are wearing a cloth mask, and I’m wearing a cloth mask, we have a significantly less chance of passing it to each other. 
 

The messaging about masks has been pretty poor from the beginning.  I believe this stems from a fear of a run on N95 masks which should be prioritized for hospital staff and first responders.  You and I don’t need wear them.  But if we each wear a cloth mask when we are around each other then we can protect both of us.

Unlike the flu, this virus can be and is passed prior to showing symptoms.  Wearing masks is a simple way to decrease/slow the spread.

There’s a pretty good diagram that shows how effective wearing masks is, but I can’t find it.  This article explains it better than I have.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sciencenewsforstudents.org/article/covid-19-face-masks-help-stop-spread/amp

[PaulFolk]

To get back to baseball...Ken Rosenthal has the latest on MLB's preferred plan for 2020 (though nothing is official yet). The highlights:

• A season starting in early July of somewhere from 78-82 games.
• Games in as many home parks as possible (with no fans, obviously). Teams that aren't able to open in their own cities would relocate either to their spring training ballparks or to other cities.
• A regionalized schedule where each division plays only its division and the same division in the other league (so the O's would play only the AL East and NL East).
• Possible expanded playoffs to seven teams in each league (top overall seed gets a first-round bye; two other division winners and top wild card play against three wild cards).