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They have no value.  

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I would be livid if they traded Mateo to see what Richie Martin can do. Mateo has been pretty darn valuable this year, and has had a good July with the stick (SSS). Defensive wizard and leads the leag

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I’m sorry Bannon didn’t get more of a look.  He’s better than Nevin, I think.  Not that I think he’s a long term solution or anything.  I just would rather have seen him than Nevin.  

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22 hours ago, wildcard said:

You may be right but its a little soon for me to draw that conclusion.   He has a 250/368/396/764 vs lefties.  He is 25.  He was mostly a 1B in the minor but he as not played  much in the majors.  If Mancini leaves then he probably gets more time at 1B/DH if he hits.  With all the infielders and outfielders the O's have he probably will not be needed next year at those positions.  

Just too soon for me to make a decision on him.   I would like to see  him through the rest of the season.   However the O's probably make a decision this off season because he will be out of options and has to stay on the major league roster next year or be DFA'd.

I'm going to disagree. Nevin has slashed .200/.320/.297/.617 in 175 major league PAs which is what you probably expect for a guy who slashed .244/.324/.413/.736 in 559 AAA PAs and .251/.345/.399/.744 in 540 AA PAs. He just can't get to his solid raw power in games and hits way too many ground balls. For corner infielder, he should not be in the major leagues and if he's the option to play first base regularly, Elias has failed.

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14 hours ago, pdiddy said:

They are fools if they don’t give healthy Diaz a good look.

I know people have some kind of love for this guy, but I really don't understand why.

In 329 AAA PAs over and a half season because of constant injuries, Dias has slashed .182/.271/.289/.559.

Since coming back from his latest injury, he's slashed .137/.279/.216/.494 in 61 PAs over 15 games.

Defensively he's probably similar to Santander. He's a below average runner and he still doesn't have a plan at the plate with pitchers after 2025 professional at bats!

So someone please tell me why there is desire to give him a look at the major league level?

Why are they fools for not giving this guy a chance?

 

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6 minutes ago, Tony-OH said:

I'm going to disagree. Nevin has slashed .200/.320/.297/.617 in 175 major league PAs which is what you probably expect for a guy who slashed .244/.324/.413/.736 in 559 AAA PAs and .251/.345/.399/.744 in 540 AA PAs. He just can't get to his solid raw power in games and hits way too many ground balls. For corner infielder, he should not be in the major leagues and if he's the option to play first base regularly, Elias has failed.

And I would just add that keeping Nevin around as a backup first baseman is ludicrous for all the reasons you just mentioned. Once Mancini gets traded, Mountcastle should play everyday, and let's be real, if he gets hurt, anybody can finish out the game. 

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2 minutes ago, Gentile4 said:

And I would just add that keeping Nevin around as a backup first baseman is ludicrous for all the reasons you just mentioned. Once Mancini gets traded, Mountcastle should play everyday, and let's be real, if he gets hurt, anybody can finish out the game. 

On top of it, Rutschman plays a pretty good 1B so on his off days from behind the plate, he could play there as well.

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So someone please tell me why there is desire to give him a look at the major league level?

Why are they fools for not giving this guy a chance?

 

I'm not saying they should even give him a look over Stowers, but I think it's that he was the centerpiece in the Machado trade that has me reluctant to just bury him in AAA despite his lack of production. Doesn't make sense, but there it is.

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22 minutes ago, Tony-OH said:

I'm going to disagree. Nevin has slashed .200/.320/.297/.617 in 175 major league PAs which is what you probably expect for a guy who slashed .244/.324/.413/.736 in 559 AAA PAs and .251/.345/.399/.744 in 540 AA PAs. He just can't get to his solid raw power in games and hits way too many ground balls. For corner infielder, he should not be in the major leagues and if he's the option to play first base regularly, Elias has failed.

Exactly what I was going to post.  If for some reason Nevin is first on the depth chart at 1B in mid-March of next year the reality is (waiver wire pickup) is really first on the depth chart.  It's trivial to find a better first baseman for free.

The last time Nevin hit for more than a hundred at bats was at high-altitude Lancaster in A ball.

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20 minutes ago, Gentile4 said:

And I would just add that keeping Nevin around as a backup first baseman is ludicrous for all the reasons you just mentioned. Once Mancini gets traded, Mountcastle should play everyday, and let's be real, if he gets hurt, anybody can finish out the game. 

I would consider a position move for a corner OF or 3B before I'd go into a season with Nevin as a primary choice at first.

Of course Mountcastle is written into the 2023 lineup card there with permanent ink.

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43 minutes ago, Tony-OH said:

I know people have some kind of love for this guy, but I really don't understand why.

In 329 AAA PAs over and a half season because of constant injuries, Dias has slashed .182/.271/.289/.559.

Since coming back from his latest injury, he's slashed .137/.279/.216/.494 in 61 PAs over 15 games.

Defensively he's probably similar to Santander. He's a below average runner and he still doesn't have a plan at the plate with pitchers after 2025 professional at bats!

So someone please tell me why there is desire to give him a look at the major league level?

Why are they fools for not giving this guy a chance?

 

I do think some of it is irrational, but he has flashed some impressive tools.  I do not think it is unrealistic to want to see how he does if he can stay healthy for a stretch.   Can he do that the rest of this year in AAA sure.  But, If I were making moves to get looks and I did not want to have to put certain people on the 40 man roster, Diaz is a guy I might give a couple of weeks to.  

I dont care that he was the centerpiece of the Machado trade or that the Dodgers spent 30 Million or whatever for him.  But if I don't think he is gonna make it, I might try to get a fire under him if only to pass him off on someone else.  Of course he could also have a rebirth and be a keeper.  Lottery tickets do sometimes pay off.

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1 hour ago, DrungoHazewood said:

I would consider a position move for a corner OF or 3B before I'd go into a season with Nevin as a primary choice at first.

Of course Mountcastle is written into the 2023 lineup card there with permanent ink.

Unless he's traded. ;)

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8 hours ago, Tony-OH said:

I'm going to disagree. Nevin has slashed .200/.320/.297/.617 in 175 major league PAs which is what you probably expect for a guy who slashed .244/.324/.413/.736 in 559 AAA PAs and .251/.345/.399/.744 in 540 AA PAs. He just can't get to his solid raw power in games and hits way too many ground balls. For corner infielder, he should not be in the major leagues and if he's the option to play first base regularly, Elias has failed.

You have made your decision on Nevin.  I have not.  Could be a backup.

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