If you were Adley, what contract terms would you agree to today if offered?

[Frobby]

14 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

 

What is your evidence for that because I have never seen one study that says this is even remotely accurate.

And btw, depending on how you define a “high on Base” guy, I’m not sure I put Adley in that category.

I think it is true that some skills age better than others.  But OBP is not a skill, it’s a combination of skills, and some of those skills begin declining by the time a player hits 30.  Plate discipline remains pretty stable but the ability to hit a baseball does not.  So, players with good plate discipline will decline more slowly than guys with bad plate discipline but good bat to ball skills.  But, OBP depends on both factors, so all tues of players decline by the time they are 30.   (I’m talking about on average for different types of players; individuals may vary, obviously).   

[Moose Milligan]

14 minutes ago, Mr-splash said:

 

I suppose a positive takeaway from all this is Adley did not hire Scott Boras. Suggesting that he's not a pure Ronald Reagan 80s corporatist hyper greedy man type guy. I don't get those vibes from Adley. Never struck me as a man primarily consumed about greed. He plays with heart and joy for the game. Of course he wants to be fairly compensated, but I don't think he's going to try and squeeze every last dollar he can. 

So my takeaway from your stance here is that since Adley didn’t go with Boras, he’s a kind of a hippie socialist who isn’t playing for money. 
 

Whereas Gunnar spends his off-season overseeing blood diamond mines. 

Edited May 19, 2023 by Moose Milligan

[Sports Guy]

6 minutes ago, Mr-splash said:

Well, it's a good thing Adley is slugging .462 then!

He’s not on the wrong side of 30.

[Mr-splash]

3 minutes ago, Frobby said:

I think it is true that some skills age better than others.  But OBP is not a skill, it’s a combination of skills, and some of those skills begin declining by the time a player hits 30.  Plate discipline remains pretty stable but the ability to hit a baseball does not.  So, players with good plate discipline will decline more slowly than guys with bad plate discipline but good bat to ball skills.  But, OBP depends on both factors, so all tues of players decline by the time they are 30.   (I’m talking about on average for different types of players; individuals may vary, obviously).   

 

I mean yea, wOBA steadily improves until 27 then plateaus until 30. Then begins to trend downwards. Not all players are the same profile though. A guy with plate discipline may maintain or even ramp up production in his early 30s while a guy like like Adam Jones has only 1 way to go past 30 which is sharp decline.

[Sports Guy]

6 minutes ago, Frobby said:

I think it is true that some skills age better than others.  But OBP is not a skill, it’s a combination of skills, and some of those skills begin declining by the time a player hits 30.  Plate discipline remains pretty stable but the ability to hit a baseball does not.  So, players with good plate discipline will decline more slowly than guys with bad plate discipline but good bat to ball skills.  But, OBP depends on both factors, so all tues of players decline by the time they are 30.   (I’m talking about on average for different types of players; individuals may vary, obviously).   

Obviously…and I agree that Adley’s plate  discipline will be fine in his 30s..but that doesn’t mean his OBP is.

Mr Splash is saying it’s a foregone conclusion that he will have an above average first base bat because of his walks. That’s just wrong.

[Mr-splash]

1 minute ago, Moose Milligan said:

So my takeaway from your stance here is that since Adley didn’t go with Boras, he’s a kind of a hippie socialist who isn’t playing for money. 
 

Whereas Gunnar spends his off-season overseeing blood diamond mines. 

The conclusion is that Adley is not profit over everything type of a guy. Meanwhile, Gunnar has a very robotic feel to him and his game. Gunnar is about that green. No doubt about that. Probably keeps an eye on his OPS every night (which he says he does) and thinks about hitting free agency as soon as possible so he can play for 35 million dollars a year somewhere in New York, Chicago, Philadelphia or Southern California where the media market can support that kind of contract. 

[Frobby]

1 minute ago, Sports Guy said:

Obviously…and I agree that Adley’s plate  discipline will be fine in his 30s..but that doesn’t mean his OBP is.

Mr Splash is saying it’s a foregone conclusion that he will have an above average first base bat because of his walks. That’s just wrong.

It is wrong.  His odds are probably better than average, but the average odds aren’t very good. 

[Frobby]

1 minute ago, Mr-splash said:

The conclusion is that Adley is not profit over everything type of a guy. Meanwhile, Gunnar has a very robotic feel to him and his game. Gunnar is about that green. No doubt about that. Probably keeps an eye on his OPS every night (which he says he does) and thinks about hitting free agency as soon as possible so he can play for 35 million dollars a year somewhere in New York, Chicago, Philadelphia or Southern California where the media market can support that kind of contract. 

There’s no way to know this, unless you are one of these people who assumes that every Scott Boras client only cares about money and the bright lights of a major media market.  

[Mr-splash]

Just now, Frobby said:

There’s no way to know this, unless you are one of these people who assumes that every Scott Boras client only cares about money and the bright lights of a major media market.  

Adley said he doesn't care about stats, he just wants to enjoy playing baseball. Gunnar is a religious OPS watcher. Add in Boras and yea, Gunnar has green in his eyes. 

[Frobby]

11 minutes ago, Mr-splash said:

Adley said he doesn't care about stats, he just wants to enjoy playing baseball. Gunnar is a religious OPS watcher. Add in Boras and yea, Gunnar has green in his eyes. 

Not saying you’re wrong, but I’m not into judging what’s important to people I don’t know personally and who haven’t directly stated what’s important to them.

By the way, congrats on grabbing such an au courant screen name.  

[Mr-splash]

6 minutes ago, Frobby said:

Not saying you’re wrong, but I’m not into judging what’s important to people I don’t know personally and who haven’t directly stated what’s important to them.

By the way, congrats on grabbing such an au courant screen name.  

I understand and thank you. A few years ago an attorney for my company gave me some insight into the world of litigation. He said "If a man hires an ambulance chaser what do you think he wants"? Scott Boras has a reputation for a reason, does he not?

Edited May 19, 2023 by Mr-splash

[OriolesMagic83]

14 hours ago, Hallas said:

I'm looking for 8/140.   In line with the Posey extension with a reasonable discount to adjust for the fact that Posey was entering his arb years at the time of extension.

8/140 lol.  #7 in lineup corner OF at least the best of them get that.  A much lesser player like Bogarts got over twice that.

[Sports Guy]

3 minutes ago, OriolesMagic83 said:

8/140 lol.  #7 in lineup corner OF at least the best of them get that.  A much lesser player like Bogarts got over twice that.

You do understand that Adley has 4 years of team control, at greatly reduced dollars, ahead of him right?

Xander was all FA years.

[Can_of_corn]

46 minutes ago, Moose Milligan said:

So my takeaway from your stance here is that since Adley didn’t go with Boras, he’s a kind of a hippie socialist who isn’t playing for money. 
 

Whereas Gunnar spends his off-season overseeing blood diamond mines. 

So the player that just dropped Boras for Bad Bunny doesn't want to make any money?

[Frobby]

16 minutes ago, Mr-splash said:

I understand and thank you. A few years ago an attorney for my company gave me some insight into the world of litigation. He said "If a man hires an ambulance chaser what do you think he wants"? Scott Boras has a reputation for a reason, does he not?

Boras does a good job of seeing to it that his clients are well paid.  Not all of them go to the major media markets, and not all of them leave the team they’re with.