Trading for a rental vs a longer term asset

[Just Regular]

2 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

Didn’t give up a top 25 prospect in the org to get him.

Ragans is the big get - he is now at 65 MLB innings, so just graduated prospect lists.

[Just Regular]

Also, as if we didn't already know Jordan Lyles was available..

[Sports Guy]

6 minutes ago, Just Regular said:

Ragans is the big get - he is now at 65 MLB innings, so just graduated prospect lists.

Oh ok. That would explain things better. I saw one site had him 25th but nothing else higher than that.

His numbers suck though.

Seems like an offer the Os easily could have beaten.

Edited June 30, 2023 by Sports Guy

[ChosenOne21]

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2023/06/rangers-acquire-aroldis-chapman.html

Gave up their 2016 first round pick pitcher who has struggled in limited MLB action and some 17-year-old.

We could have easily beaten this offer. This looks like the equivalent of Drew Rom and a DSL lottery ticket. Yeah, I know, character issues, but this would have been a huge help to our bullpen.

[Nite]

He's who I wanted... get 5-6 out of a starter then figure out the 6th into Cano-Chapman-Bautisa... that dream is dead. Time to have another. 

Edited June 30, 2023 by Nite
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[Just Regular]

Ragans is 1st round pedigree, and 90th percentile plus performance in K-BB among PCL pitchers with 50 innings the last 2 seasons....he's I think more than Rom or Povich.

https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders/minor-league?pos=all&level=0&lg=4&stats=pit&qual=50&type=1&team=&season=2022&seasonEnd=2023&org=&ind=0&splitTeam=false&players=&sort=11,1

10-minute reaction hits me a little like Eduardo/Andrew Miller, though old Aroldis nowhere near young Andrew.

Its one solid data point though for what the 2023 market will become.     Deadline not even until month of August, and we get a substantial value opener in the month of June.

 

[Frobby]

4 minutes ago, Just Regular said:

 

It’s ot one solid data point though for what the 2023 market will become.     Deadline not even until month of August, and we get a substantial value opener in the month of June.

 

Not too unusual to see a few deals around now.  The Arrieta deal was a June deal.  

[Sports Guy]

Baltimore Orioles: Acquire Lucas Giolito

The Orioles were criticized for not doing much to upgrade their pitching staff in the offseason, but they've defied the critics with a surprising first half. Still, the rotation ranks just 21st in the majors ERA despite playing in pitcher-friendly Camden Yards. Cole Irvin and Grayson Rodriguez have both struggled in the fifth slot with ERAs over 7.00, so that's an easy upgrade -- and the Orioles are loaded with infielders at the big league and Triple-A levels whom they could include in a deal for a quality starter. Giolito might be the best of the lot as he heads to free agency, and as the White Sox continue to struggle, he's an easy guy to target. He has bounced back from a rough 2022 and has pitched particularly well in June.

https://www.espn.com/mlb/insider/story/_/id/37934796/mlb-2023-trade-deadline-one-player-every-team
 

I agree

[Can_of_corn]

6 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

Baltimore Orioles: Acquire Lucas Giolito

The Orioles were criticized for not doing much to upgrade their pitching staff in the offseason, but they've defied the critics with a surprising first half. Still, the rotation ranks just 21st in the majors ERA despite playing in pitcher-friendly Camden Yards. Cole Irvin and Grayson Rodriguez have both struggled in the fifth slot with ERAs over 7.00, so that's an easy upgrade -- and the Orioles are loaded with infielders at the big league and Triple-A levels whom they could include in a deal for a quality starter. Giolito might be the best of the lot as he heads to free agency, and as the White Sox continue to struggle, he's an easy guy to target. He has bounced back from a rough 2022 and has pitched particularly well in June.

https://www.espn.com/mlb/insider/story/_/id/37934796/mlb-2023-trade-deadline-one-player-every-team
 

I agree

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[higgybaby]

13 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

Baltimore Orioles: Acquire Lucas Giolito

The Orioles were criticized for not doing much to upgrade their pitching staff in the offseason, but they've defied the critics with a surprising first half. Still, the rotation ranks just 21st in the majors ERA despite playing in pitcher-friendly Camden Yards. Cole Irvin and Grayson Rodriguez have both struggled in the fifth slot with ERAs over 7.00, so that's an easy upgrade -- and the Orioles are loaded with infielders at the big league and Triple-A levels whom they could include in a deal for a quality starter. Giolito might be the best of the lot as he heads to free agency, and as the White Sox continue to struggle, he's an easy guy to target. He has bounced back from a rough 2022 and has pitched particularly well in June.

https://www.espn.com/mlb/insider/story/_/id/37934796/mlb-2023-trade-deadline-one-player-every-team
 

I agree

I saw your post and initially thought you were posting some breaking news. 

[deward]

4 minutes ago, higgybaby said:

I saw your post and initially thought you were posting some breaking news. 

Same.

[Sports Guy]

1 hour ago, Can_of_corn said:

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Yes..but it doesn’t work well on the mobile device.  But thanks for the tutorial, your info is always desired.

[Can_of_corn]

Just now, Sports Guy said:

Yes..but it doesn’t work well on the mobile device.  But thanks for the tutorial, your info is always desired.

Just trying to turn you into an asset to the community.

[eddie83]

I’ll say this.

As much I don’t think there are many legit pitchers under team control who are available I do think the market has a ton of arms with one year left who will get dealt.