George Kirby, the guy pitching against us tonight...could make an interesting option for the the Orioles..

[Yossarian]

20 hours ago, Sports Guy said:

If Seattle trades a pitcher at the deadline, my money is on Woo.  He’s still the guy I would want the most although the injuries are a bit concerning.  That said, I would deal Mounty(or Santander) for him in a heartbeat.

Pitching Woo?

[Filmstudy]

The notion that Kirby will be traded is frankly absurd, but there is also a big reason why I would not want the Orioles to consider such a trade.

A primary component of Kirby's value is the years of team control, which I assume is 4.  In such a deal, the Mariners are going to try to get a huge premium for those control years.  However, those years also come with enormous risk for a young pitcher that throws as hard as Kirby does as we have experienced with Wells, Bautista, Bradish, and Means.  I can't see a way the Orioles bridge that gap in expectations and get a deal with properly discounted future value of Kirby relative to the lower-risk position players we'd be giving up.

If you're going to trade for pitching, you're better off trading for rentals at the time of need or prospects, but not years of control for pitchers at the ML level.

[RZNJ]

The Mariners lead their division and are a playoff team on the strength of their pitching.  Why are they trading someone from their rotation?   

[interloper]

1 minute ago, RZNJ said:

The Mariners lead their division and are a playoff team on the strength of their pitching.  Why are they trading someone from their rotation?   

I will never understand stuff like this. 

Like, are there Mariners fans who think they can get Grayson from us? 

[Allan Bryant]

12 minutes ago, Yossarian said:

Pitching Woo?

Santander is a rental , if they want him and Mountcastle,  would you do it ?

[DrungoHazewood]

4 minutes ago, RZNJ said:

The Mariners lead their division and are a playoff team on the strength of their pitching.  Why are they trading someone from their rotation?   

I'm sure there's a group at Mariner's Hangout who just knows this team doesn't have it, the front office stinks, the players are under-performing, any day they'll be passed by the Astros, and it's time to rebuild for '27. Get what you can for whatever assets are there before it inevitably comes crashing down.

See: some part of Orioles Hangout pretty much every year from '12-16.

[HowAboutThat]

1 hour ago, Sports Guy said:

Hancock isn’t a reliever..he’s a starter and a highly rated one (or he was when eligible)

They aren’t going to put him in the pen when they want him to continue to start.

He’s been terrible, according to baseball savant, and terrible starters become relievers.

And of course if you can solve a problem in-house that’s what you do. ATM they have no one among their own pitching prospects who can provide help this season, so no reason not to put your 6-7 SPs in the pen, which, BTW, is exactly what we were going to do with Wells, for example, and are now doing with Irvin.

[Paul in Virginia]

32 minutes ago, Yossarian said:

Pitching Woo?

 

I, as one of the two at most other guys on this board who get that, salute you!

[HowAboutThat]

1 minute ago, Paul in Virginia said:

 

I, as one of the two at most other guys on this board who get that, salute you!

I got it too, but we shouldn’t encourage him…

 

[Sports Guy]

3 minutes ago, Philip said:

He’s been terrible, according to baseball savant, and terrible starters become relievers.

And of course if you can solve a problem in-house that’s what you do. ATM they have no one among their own pitching prospects who can provide help this season, so no reason not to put your 6-7 SPs in the pen, which, BTW, is exactly what we were going to do with Wells, for example, and are now doing with Irvin.

I’m not going to keep going in circles.  You are just wrong on this take of how they are handling Hancock.  It’s just a bad take.

[Paul in Virginia]

1 minute ago, Philip said:

I got it too, but we shouldn’t encourage him…

 

So YOU'RE the other one...

 

 

 

[HowAboutThat]

10 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

I’m not going to keep going in circles.  You are just wrong on this take of how they are handling Hancock.  It’s just a bad take.

No it’s not. I looked up his stats carefully. He’s in the minors for a reason and all that blue at Baseball Savant isn’t an aesthetic choice.

 

[HowAboutThat]

10 minutes ago, Paul in Virginia said:

So YOU'RE the other one...

 

 

 

That’s an old pic, my hair is white and I changed my glasses since then, but yeah.

[orioles22]

I wonder if Kjerstad, Mountcastle and Irvin would work.

I know it's unlikely, but we'd have Mayo for right, Cowser in left and Basallo at first for the long term. I think we'll have to trade one of the big prospects for a starter at some point.

[Sports Guy]

21 minutes ago, Philip said:

No it’s not. I looked up his stats carefully. He’s in the minors for a reason and all that blue at Baseball Savant isn’t an aesthetic choice.

 

Whatever you say.