Adley shares tough health admission

[Gurgi]

You pray Adley starts off next year hot as the sun.  Then you move him at the trade deadline.  Because this guy is not a winner.  He wont even beat out Wieters career numbers.  Adley is got the fabled "old man" skills.  And he isn't even an old man yet.  He wont age well.  GET RID OF HIM.  Get skinny athletic guys who actually can throw the ball to second base.   We don't need a hitting catcher.  Is a luxury and a fraud usually.  

And he cant hit enough to warrant moving to first base.  That's a waste.  Best thing for us to do is sell him next year.

[turtlebowl]

1 hour ago, Gurgi said:

You pray Adley starts off next year hot as the sun.  Then you move him at the trade deadline.  Because this guy is not a winner.  He wont even beat out Wieters career numbers.  Adley is got the fabled "old man" skills.  And he isn't even an old man yet.  He wont age well.  GET RID OF HIM.  Get skinny athletic guys who actually can throw the ball to second base.   We don't need a hitting catcher.  Is a luxury and a fraud usually.  

And he cant hit enough to warrant moving to first base.  That's a waste.  Best thing for us to do is sell him next year.

Not a winner?  I think you need to look at the O's record since the day he got moved to the majors.  They basically did a reversal day 1.  Now something was off with him the second 1/2 and the speculation is all speculation.  

If I am making an assumption, the game has always likely come too easy for Adley his whole life.  Maybe he didn't work as hard as he should of this past off season so the rigors of catching caught up to him.  Even at his age you can start feeling the difference in the body compared to when he was 20.  We all went through that and it does sneak up on you because you can feel physically invincible when you are young. In fact at that age is when many guys start finding out that you can't just eat what you want to all the time. So hopefully this will be the wakeup call he needed and he comes in next year and has a career year.  I don't think this has anything to do with losing ability all of a sudden.  It isn't like he wasn't killing it the first couple of months this year.

[Tony-OH]

1. I don't think for a second that Adley Rutschman doesn't care or is not a "winner." He was a big reason the culture changed at the major league level.
2. The bat speed chart that SG showed tells me its something more than wear and tear. 26-year old catchers typically don't wear and tear down in July, especially after the team was already keeping him fresher than in years past by DHing more than the past.
3. I don't think it was an "injury" per se, but something was bothering him physically. He lost strength, stamina, and just looked worn down the second half of the season. I'm not going to speculate what was going on, but there's definitely something more than normal wear and tear.
4. Saying that, Elias and Hyde may not know because if the players keeps saying he's fine, it's not like they are going to scan his body or make him take blood tests. Basically, I don't think Elias is "lying" to anyone when he said he thinks Adley was just worn down. I don't think Elias or Hyde knew why Adley was not performing so they went with the worn down excuse. As pointed out, much older and bigger catcher like Perez were just fine in September/October.

So what does all this mean for the future? That's really the question. No way Adley just forgot how to hit in the middle of a season or lost bat speed because he was "worn down".
Maybe it was a combination of things this year on and off the field that limited his effectiveness, but I also think the mental part of the game was getting to him as his struggles continued for longer than anytime in his life. For some reason, he took way too many hittable pitches which made him one of the worst "in the zone" hitters by run value.

Rutschman had a -13 "take runs" in the heart of the plate and -14 "take runs" in the shadow. He was outstanding in the chase and waste areas but those take runs in the heart and shadow show that he's not aggressive enough on hittable pitches.

We saw that many times this year including in these two games where Adley watched very hittable pitches on 2-0 go by or fouled off. The question is why? I doubt it was because he was tired or worn out.

 

[Sports Guy]

5 minutes ago, Tony-OH said:

1. I don't think for a second that Adley Rutschman doesn't care or is not a "winner." He was a big reason the culture changed at the major league level.
2. The bat speed chart that SG showed tells me its something more than wear and tear. 26-year old catchers typically don't wear and tear down in July, especially after the team was already keeping him fresher than in years past by DHing more than the past.
3. I don't think it was an "injury" per se, but something was bothering him physically. He lost strength, stamina, and just looked worn down the second half of the season. I'm not going to speculate what was going on, but there's definitely something more than normal wear and tear.
4. Saying that, Elias and Hyde may not know because if the players keeps saying he's fine, it's not like they are going to scan his body or make him take blood tests. Basically, I don't think Elias is "lying" to anyone when he said he thinks Adley was just worn down. I don't think Elias or Hyde knew why Adley was not performing so they went with the worn down excuse. As pointed out, much older and bigger catcher like Perez were just fine in September/October.

So what does all this mean for the future? That's really the question. No way Adley just forgot how to hit in the middle of a season or lost bat speed because he was "worn down".
Maybe it was a combination of things this year on and off the field that limited his effectiveness, but I also think the mental part of the game was getting to him as his struggles continued for longer than anytime in his life. For some reason, he took way too many hittable pitches which made him one of the worst "in the zone" hitters by run value.

Rutschman had a -13 "take runs" in the heart of the plate and -14 "take runs" in the shadow. He was outstanding in the chase and waste areas but those take runs in the heart and shadow show that he's not aggressive enough on hittable pitches.

We saw that many times this year including in these two games where Adley watched very hittable pitches on 2-0 go by or fouled off. The question is why? I doubt it was because he was tired or worn out.

 

Good stuff here. What this is really saying is, it’s one thing to slump…it’s another thing to be completely awful for 3 months. There is a huge difference there..especially when he was hitting just fine through June. 
 

Something happened and like you, I don’t buy that normal wear and tear was that thing that happened.

[Fiver6565]

This entire thread title should be changed because the article in the link says basically nothing about an injury other than wild speculation.

[DirtyBird]

3 hours ago, Tony-OH said:

1. I don't think for a second that Adley Rutschman doesn't care or is not a "winner." He was a big reason the culture changed at the major league level.
2. The bat speed chart that SG showed tells me its something more than wear and tear. 26-year old catchers typically don't wear and tear down in July, especially after the team was already keeping him fresher than in years past by DHing more than the past.
3. I don't think it was an "injury" per se, but something was bothering him physically. He lost strength, stamina, and just looked worn down the second half of the season. I'm not going to speculate what was going on, but there's definitely something more than normal wear and tear.
4. Saying that, Elias and Hyde may not know because if the players keeps saying he's fine, it's not like they are going to scan his body or make him take blood tests. Basically, I don't think Elias is "lying" to anyone when he said he thinks Adley was just worn down. I don't think Elias or Hyde knew why Adley was not performing so they went with the worn down excuse. As pointed out, much older and bigger catcher like Perez were just fine in September/October.

So what does all this mean for the future? That's really the question. No way Adley just forgot how to hit in the middle of a season or lost bat speed because he was "worn down".
Maybe it was a combination of things this year on and off the field that limited his effectiveness, but I also think the mental part of the game was getting to him as his struggles continued for longer than anytime in his life. For some reason, he took way too many hittable pitches which made him one of the worst "in the zone" hitters by run value.

Rutschman had a -13 "take runs" in the heart of the plate and -14 "take runs" in the shadow. He was outstanding in the chase and waste areas but those take runs in the heart and shadow show that he's not aggressive enough on hittable pitches.

We saw that many times this year including in these two games where Adley watched very hittable pitches on 2-0 go by or fouled off. The question is why? I doubt it was because he was tired or worn out.

 

Isn’t this saying -14 Swing Runs in the shadow?

[Ohfan67]

4 hours ago, Fiver6565 said:

This entire thread title should be changed because the article in the link says basically nothing about an injury other than wild speculation.

Agreed. No “tough health admission” was made and Elias said again today that Adley was not injured. The mystery lives on. 

[baltfan]

6 hours ago, Gurgi said:

You pray Adley starts off next year hot as the sun.  Then you move him at the trade deadline.  Because this guy is not a winner.  He wont even beat out Wieters career numbers.  Adley is got the fabled "old man" skills.  And he isn't even an old man yet.  He wont age well.  GET RID OF HIM.  Get skinny athletic guys who actually can throw the ball to second base.   We don't need a hitting catcher.  Is a luxury and a fraud usually.  

And he cant hit enough to warrant moving to first base.  That's a waste.  Best thing for us to do is sell him next year.

Yeah Sal Perez is so skinny. 

[RavensNOsGuy]

Matt Wieters light.

[TopGunnar]

I expect nothing less than Adley making up an excuse for his play. That’s the kinda guy he  is