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This is one of the more unfortunate threads I have ever seen. While many of the venting threads are ugly, at least I can understand them as being simple reflections of people being frustrated. This thread has no redeeming attributes of any kind.

'Have a good evening.

THIS is one of the worst threads? At least this has some relation to our current reality as O's fans, unlike the "Blame Tejada First" threads.

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Fine.

Let's say we end up with the fourth pick, and select Joe Blow, the consensus pick at that spot.

Someone else ends up with the fifth pick, which we would have had if we had won any more games, and selects John Smith.

Joe Blow sucks, gets hurt, and never makes AAA. John Smith ends up a Hall-of-Famer.

Was losing those couple extra game worth the reward?

Well, whoever goes 5th is irrelevant because we could have drafted that player ourselves but Jordan says no, Joe Blow is better.

So, if you are asking me if we got the player we targeted(or at least one of them) and we got a guy we thought was going to be better than John Smith, than yes, it was worth it.

The scouting is what would be faulty there, not the draft position or wins and losses.

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We are in the last week of the season....It is between us and 2 other teams to determine who gets the #1 pick....We need to lose 4 of the last 7 games to ensure us getting the #1 pick...Do you root for them to lose those 4 games?

Does my rooting have any affect at all on the team's play?

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We are in the last week of the season....It is between us and 2 other teams to determine who gets the #1 pick....We need to lose 4 of the last 7 games to ensure us getting the #1 pick...Do you root for them to lose those 4 games?

There's no guarantee that the # 1 pick will pan out, despite all the articles, scouting reports, etc. that are out on the player.

There have been just as many # 1 picks to flop then there have been # 1 picks that pan out.

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Fine.

Let's say we end up with the fourth pick, and select Joe Blow, the consensus pick at that spot.

Someone else ends up with the fifth pick, which we would have had if we had won any more games, and selects John Smith.

Joe Blow sucks, gets hurt, and never makes AAA. John Smith ends up a Hall-of-Famer.

Was losing those couple extra game worth the reward?

Were those losses the difference between a playoff berth and missing one?

No? Then what does it matter, really?

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Usually around this time of year I just become indifferent and expect the team to lose. I don't want them to lose per se, but when it is this late in the year, and the games are this meaningless, what does winning do? Really?

So I don't root for them to lose. I just don't care anymore. I just hope they can sign the top 5 draft pick.

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Fine.

Let's say we end up with the fourth pick, and select Joe Blow, the consensus pick at that spot.

Someone else ends up with the fifth pick, which we would have had if we had won any more games, and selects John Smith.

Joe Blow sucks, gets hurt, and never makes AAA. John Smith ends up a Hall-of-Famer.

Was losing those couple extra game worth the reward?

Injuries are always an issue, but you're extreme characterization of the situation is just as bad as SGs.

It's not black and white, and it's not a complete crapshoot either. Even one pick higher can mean a world of difference between two players.

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The question is so rhetorical, because BACK THEN we wouldn't know what we know now.

It requires you to expand your thinking.

Drungo has asked this before...If you have the chance at a Griffey Jr or AROD talent or someone like that, losing makes more sense, in a LOST SEASON than winning does.

And remember, no one is saying to tank a season or even a game...Just that losing helps us out better long term. Even if it is only potentially, that potential and hope is much more valuable than 5 extra wins in a pathetic season.

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There's no guarantee that the # 1 pick will pan out, despite all the articles, scouting reports, etc. that are out on the player.

There have been just as many # 1 picks to flop then there have been # 1 picks that pan out.

Thanks...Didn't answer the question but your "input" is always helpful. :rolleyes:

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I hope you're right. Is there any precedence you're basing this on from his time with 'Sota and Chitown?

I have to think that any GM has the ability to listen to scouts and farm directors(Jordan would be key here IMO) and read baseball america and be able to say, i want this guy for my guy.

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There's no guarantee that the # 1 pick will pan out, despite all the articles, scouting reports, etc. that are out on the player.

There have been just as many # 1 picks to flop then there have been # 1 picks that pan out.

True, but I believe the #1 pick easily has the best success rate though.

In a situation, where it was at the end of the year, and I wasn't at the game, I'd root against the O's if it would get them a better pick(if that was clearly important considering the players available). I will not start rooting against the team now though, it's too early for that imo.

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Well, whoever goes 5th is irrelevant because we could have drafted that player ourselves but Jordan says no, Joe Blow is better.

So, if you are asking me if we got the player we targeted(or at least one of them) and we got a guy we thought was going to be better than John Smith, than yes, it was worth it.

The scouting is what would be faulty there, not the draft position or wins and losses.

You want to claim that my rooting for the team to win always (you know, like a FAN does) is bad because it can hurt the team, but when it's the other way around it is still OK because we had the chance?

That doesn't make any sense.

To take the example you are obsessed with, lets say it was Teixiera that had been injured, while Smith wasn't, and he achieved his potential while Teixiera languished in the lower minors before his release.

Would you still have the same opinion?

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Does my rooting have any affect at all on the team's play?

Now you're taking poor logical step. If it has no affect then you're entire argument is a waste of time. Also, your criticism of NMS and others becomes worthless. Their negativity has no affect on the team's play either. Don't confuse arguments.

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