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  2. Well at least....

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  5. Would you trade Manny to the Sox? 1 2 3 4 6

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  7. Just sell in the offseason instead with the new GM 1 2 3

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  • Posts

    • Jagwar
      Elias on contract extensions

      By Jagwar · Posted

      Cowser had a 4.0 fWAR in 2024. You ready to lock him up for 7-8 years or longer?
    • Camden_yardbird
      Would you say that the Tigers rebuild is more successful than the O's?

      By Camden_yardbird · Posted

      I think he already had and it was Bradish.  Midling prospect who turns out to have #1 level stuff.  Injuries are a bitch.
    • Hank Scorpio
      Hurricane Milton is looking scarier by the minute

      By Hank Scorpio · Posted

      Cell service restored, power back on, not a single shingle missing from the roof. 
    • Orioles0615
      Do the Orioles Need Players with Postseason Experience?

      By Orioles0615 · Posted

      They need players who are better than some they have
    • Warehouse
      Elias on contract extensions

      By Warehouse · Posted

      Probably neither - it may be more a function of lining up with players.  The Astros extensions aren’t really comparable. The first Altuve extension was ridiculously team friendly. Altuve had less than $1MM in career earnings ($15K signing bonus as amateur). He had a good 2012, making the all-star team. However, he struggled in the first half of 2013 with an OPS in the six hundreds.  He fired Boras in May, presumably because he wanted to sign an extension that Boras would have been vehemently opposed to.  The deal announced in July bought out his four remaining years of team control for $12.5MM and gave the Astros control over what would have been his first two FA years via club options that totaled $25MM. The second Altuve extension occurred after he rehired Boras and was basically about buying out his grossly undervalued club option years.  It was needed to reverse the mistake of the first extension. The Bregman extension was reached in ARB-3 negotiations. Neither of these situations are at all comparable to a potential Gunnar extension this offseason. First of all, Boras had NEVER extended a pre-arb player with seven figures in career earnings (Carlos Gonzalez was below that threshold).  He is philosophically opposed to it. Second, there are two potential comps that would starting points for a deal: Tatis Jr and Witt Jr.  Boras would reject either of those deals; he would want to do better given his distaste for pre-arb extensions, his strong preference for “record-breaking” deals, and the fact the Gunnar has more career WAR (at least fWAR) than either of those players when they signed their extensions.  When teams are successful in getting a lot of early extensions done, it’s often a case of having a lot of players amenable to an extension. That generally covers attributes such as not signing a large draft or IFA bonus (i.e., relatively “poor” players), players with geographic ties to the team (big part of Atlanta’s success), not having Boras as their agent, and being more risk-adverse from a financial perspective.  The team’s risk tolerance also plays a role as you can get burned if they turn into Grady Sizemore.
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