Sun:Grimsley names 3 O's in banned drug case

[Rockbird]

There might be a third option, ie.....you didn't know you took steroids, as Palmerio claimed. And this whole mess again raises the possibility he was telling the truth.

Not really. The type of steroid found in Palmeiro is NOT something that could just get in your supplements or something. Its also something that takes a long time to clear your system and is nearly impossible to conceal. This is something you'd have to intentionally take and it was not Tejada's stuff since it was tested and came up clear.

[Mark Carver]

Grimsley will never speak on the record to anyone other than those in the legal system again.

So what happens if Grimsley is not brought before a trial... so all 5 players are found guilty?

[Rockbird]

Anybody who has used & lied about it after the fact really bothers me.

I agree. A short succint apology for making a "mistake" would go a long way. We're a forgiving country. Also, if that happens, it allows the media vultures to focus on Clemens and Bonds guys who are still being stubborn. It might be an interesting PR startegy. Do it in the offseason when there's no games and by the time the season starts up again, everyone will have basically forgotten about it (Giambi!).

Then again I doubt it happens because these players are probably being advised from all legal councel to just not say a word.

[olehippi]

Not really. The type of steroid found in Palmeiro is NOT something that could just get in your supplements or something. Its also something that takes a long time to clear your system and is nearly impossible to conceal. This is something you'd have to intentionally take and it was not Tejada's stuff since it was tested and came up clear.

If, as he claimed, the B-12 he got from Tejada was possibly tainted, he wouldn't have known. And considering that the B-12 came from a supplier in Central America, which I'm sure doesn't have the quality controls in place that we have in this country, who knows whether or not a particular vial was tainted with steroids.

[TonySoprano]

That BRob gained a competitive LEGAL(in baseball) advantage that practically everyone else was doing.

How can it be "LEGAL" if there are penalties for doing it?

Sign Millar quickly.

Test him first.

[El Gordo]

Maybe both have occured.

First of all you shouldn't lie about your age; 47 ? And under the military code of justice, honor, and ethics, you are duty bound to out these evil drug doers!

[El Gordo]

Not really. The type of steroid found in Palmeiro is NOT something that could just get in your supplements or something. Its also something that takes a long time to clear your system and is nearly impossible to conceal. This is something you'd have to intentionally take and it was not Tejada's stuff since it was tested and came up clear.

Stanolozol is sold in the DR in B12 injections and Palmeiro was tested negative 3 weeks after he tested positive initially, so it doesn't take that long to work it's way out of your system. And the B12 Tejada gave the commisson was a sample of what he claimed to be using. It wasn't necessarily what he gave Palmeiro

[SilentJames]

Grimsely flat out accuses Gibby, Roberts and Tejada of using anabolic steroids.

Now, I hate to use the "never failed a test" thing, but they have never failed a test. Their numbers have remained fairly consistent, I attest Roberts HRs to assured/ more playing time - even then he only hit 10 MORE, its not like he sueddenly hit 50 HRs. Their bodies have not changed visably over the past few years that make one think steroids, and well they haven't failed any tests.

Its like this. Say someone gets shot, and someone accuses you of shooting him. But you don't own a gun. Now you could have gotten a gun from somewhere else, you could have hidden the gun, a million and one things but there is no way to link you to a gun.

Thats kind of what we got going on here. The only strike against these guys is their name has been named. It is a damning accusation, but until they fail a test, or admit to it, that is all it is - an accusation.

Bonds' situation is different as he has some more viasble evidence going against him, he has admitted to using steroids and there are multiple accusations from different sources. When Palmeiro named Miguel, it was an accusation it was in response to the question: "what could you have taken that could have caused this result."

Bottom line is this, these guys are all stand-up guys. They have given us no reason not to believe them. And until there is actual physical evidence, or a cooberating witness or two I throw my lot in with the O's.

PS - I guess I owe Alev and apology, but I still feel the way you went about presenting your information was a tad wrong - and then you simply vanished from the forum afterwards. But sorry.

Also, if they we truly had 3 everyday players on perfromance enhancing drugs, you would think our records would have been better.

[SilentJames]

If, as he claimed, the B-12 he got from Tejada was possibly tainted, he wouldn't have known. And considering that the B-12 came from a supplier in Central America, which I'm sure doesn't have the quality controls in place that we have in this country, who knows whether or not a particular vial was tainted with steroids.

That is a serious consideration as to what could have happened. I mean that would be horrible for a contaminated vial, even Miggy didn't know, ends one man's HOF career.

God that would be horrible

[Rockbird]

Now, I hate to use the "never failed a test" thing, but they have never failed a test.

Means nothing. If you're smart about what you're taking you should never fail a test.

[Optimum O]

Hopefully whoever wrote the articles claiming an "anonymous source" will be forced to reveal it eventually. It is only fair that whoever leaks needs to have the proof and be forced to divulge it. Otherwise you have 5 guilty named and no proof to either convict or clear them.

[SilentJames]

Means nothing. If you're smart about what you're taking you should never fail a test.

Yeah but I'm going to need more than one accusation to condemn anyone.

[Kasumi Storms]

Peter Angelos??

I'd be more suspect of Ponson before Tejada, Gibbons or Roberts, especially with the aggressive, Barry Bonds/Albert Belle type behaviour he exhibited around Christmas of 2004 in Aruba.

[weams]

I'd be more suspect of Ponson before Tejada, Gibbons or Roberts, especially with the aggressive, Barry Bonds/Albert Belle type behaviour he exhibited around Christmas of 2004 in Aruba.

That is called Alcoholism.

[dslats715]

That is called Alcoholism.

Hahah this man has it