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What do you think BRob will earn next year? (Not necessarily from the Orioles)


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What do you think BRob will earn next year (not necessarily from the O's)?  

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  1. 1. What do you think BRob will earn next year (not necessarily from the O's)?

    • Only a minor league deal (or he'll retire)
    • Less than $1 mm
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    • $1 -1.99 mm
    • $2 - 3.99 mm
    • $4 - 5.49 mm
    • $5.50 mm or more


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I must be missing something here. We are talking about a soon-to-be 36-year-old, injury prone second baseman who has not had a good offensive season in three years. We are talking about a guy who is subpar defensively and has put up an OPS+ of 86. He has little power and diminishing speed.

Why on earth would anyone give that player a multiyear deal? When the question is asked of me, I think at best he gets maybe $2 million, but it's quite possible he ends up with a minor league invite. I know he's been having better at-bats recently and his numbers have been coming up, but he hasn't looked that great to me. If the Orioles gave him more than $2 million I would be disappointed, because we sorely need that money for other positions.

I think he gets about a 1/3 deal unless the O's and DD are a lot more sentimental than I think.

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How far do you take it, though? Let's say the O's offer BRob a one-year, $1.5 mm deal and some other team offers him 2/$7 mm. Would you think badly of him if he took the 2/$7 mm? What if it were 3/$10 mm? I'd expect BRob to want to re-sign with the Orioles if they want him back and the money is anywhere close to what he can earn elsewhere, but the bigger the gap in years and dollars, the less I'd feel that he had some obligation to stay here.

If he wants a few extra bucks for a Dwight Evans as an Oriole season, I won't think less of either party.

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I must be missing something here. We are talking about a soon-to-be 36-year-old, injury prone second baseman who has not had a good offensive season in three years. We are talking about a guy who is subpar defensively and has put up an OPS+ of 86. He has little power and diminishing speed.

Why on earth would anyone give that player a multiyear deal? When the question is asked of me, I think at best he gets maybe $2 million, but it's quite possible he ends up with a minor league invite. I know he's been having better at-bats recently and his numbers have been coming up, but he hasn't looked that great to me. If the Orioles gave him more than $2 million I would be disappointed, because we sorely need that money for other positions.

My initial thought was that BRob would warrant no more than 1 year, $2 mm on the open market. But then I saw that Jamey Carroll was signed to a 2 year, $6.75 mm deal last year at age 38-39. Armed with that information, I'm no longer sure some team wouldn't offer BRob 2 years.

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My initial thought was that BRob would warrant no more than 1 year, $2 mm on the open market. But then I saw that Jamey Carroll was signed to a 2 year, $6.75 mm deal last year at age 38-39. Armed with that information, I'm no longer sure some team wouldn't offer BRob 2 years.

In 2011, the year before Carroll signed his 2 year contract, he had 452 at bats and a 290 avg, 359 OBP. That was the fourth year in a row that Carroll had an OBP of 350 or better. BRob has not had that kind of durability or production since 2009. I doubt BRob is offered two years.

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In 2011, the year before Carroll signed his 2 year contract, he had 452 at bats and a 290 avg, 359 OBP. That was the fourth year in a row that Carroll had an OBP of 350 or better. BRob has not had that kind of durability or production since 2009. I doubt BRob is offered two years.

I agree, but it just gave me pause. Carroll is a career .687 OPS hitter. I was surprised he got two years at his age despite his good OBP skills.

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In my personal opinion, I would really be surprised if he gets offered at all by the Orioles. That said, given the opinions that are being offered here that he should sign here for what ever, or that he is the best we have at the position, I would offer this idea. I think there is unique way for ownership and player to BOTH have their cake and eat it too.

Lets say we offer him a MLB minimum contract for 2 years. But you fill it with incentive clauses for games played, games in the field, specific performance bonuses for hits, doubles, all-star, gold glove etc, ect. Let's say the maximum value of the contract is 8 Million a year. That's a great opportunity for him as a player, and it would be difficult to turn down in my opinion. Of course, if he is through at any point and time the O's can cut him for nothing. To top it off, he could still be picked up by someone else and do very well. Still at no cost to the O's.

But my vote, is still only a minor league deal or retirement.

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In my personal opinion, I would really be surprised if he gets offered at all by the Orioles. That said, given the opinions that are being offered here that he should sign here for what ever, or that he is the best we have at the position, I would offer this idea. I think there is unique way for ownership and player to BOTH have their cake and eat it too.

Lets say we offer him a MLB minimum contract for 2 years. But you fill it with incentive clauses for games played, games in the field, specific performance bonuses for hits, doubles, all-star, gold glove etc, ect. Let's say the maximum value of the contract is 8 Million a year. That's a great opportunity for him as a player, and it would be difficult to turn down in my opinion. Of course, if he is through at any point and time the O's can cut him for nothing. To top it off, he could still be picked up by someone else and do very well. Still at no cost to the O's.

But my vote, is still only a minor league deal or retirement.

The CBA prohibits performance based incentives for hits and doubles. Games played are fine. GG and All-star are fine. So the O's could have a low base and add incentive for BRob if he is healthy but they can't be assured that he will play at any particular level of performance.

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It may sound ridiculous, but one of the reasons I'd re-sign Roberts is because I'd like to see him retire having played his entire career for the same club. That's assuming he doesn't get injured again before the season is over.

It's not ridiculous because that's going to be a major factor in the negotiations (on both sides) regardless of what the logic and analytics say.

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It may sound ridiculous, but one of the reasons I'd re-sign Roberts is because I'd like to see him retire having played his entire career for the same club. That's assuming he doesn't get injured again before the season is over.

Man I just don't get this BRob love... why do are you so interested in having him play his entire career with the Orioles which has consisted of not even one winning year... and of course the O's are now under .500 in games that he has played in this year, a 14 year career with zero winning seasons..

Can't we (shouldn't we) just cut ties an embrace a hopefully brighter future???

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It may sound ridiculous, but one of the reasons I'd re-sign Roberts is because I'd like to see him retire having played his entire career for the same club. That's assuming he doesn't get injured again before the season is over.

Yea, I don't root that way. If he wants to retire as an O he can hang it up after this year. My guess is if another team makes him an offer and the O's don't then he won't care about retiring as an O.

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Man I just don't get this BRob love... why do are you so interested in having him play his entire career with the Orioles which has consisted of not even one winning year... and of course the O's are now under .500 in games that he has played in this year, a 14 year career with zero winning seasons..

Can't we (shouldn't we) just cut ties an embrace a hopefully brighter future???

I think those that are attached to BRob feel like he suffered through a lot of losing that was not his fault, and they appreciate that he chose to stick with the team back in 2009 when he signed his long-term deal (even though that deal has turned out poorly for the team due to his injuries). You have mentioned many times that the Orioles have never had a winning season with BRob on the team, but the fact is, that's not BRob's fault. He was an above average player for many years, and couldn't control the fact that his teammates weren't very good.

I want to stress, I only want BRob here next year if it makes sense from a baseball perspective. I will always have warm feelings for BRob, but would not let sentiment get in the way of a sound baseball decision. But I do fully understand why a lot of people are attached to him.

What option do you like for next year? Flaherty? Casilla? Schoop? A free agent signing? I like Schoop as the long term solution, I just don't know if he'll be ready by next spring, and therefore signing BRob to a one-year deal could be the best solution for the team if you aren't a fan of Flaherty or Casilla and don't want to commit to a long term deal for a FA.

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I think those that are attached to BRob feel like he suffered through a lot of losing that was not his fault, and they appreciate that he chose to stick with the team back in 2009 when he signed his long-term deal (even though that deal has turned out poorly for the team due to his injuries). You have mentioned many times that the Orioles have never had a winning season with BRob on the team, but the fact is, that's not BRob's fault. He was an above average player for many years, and couldn't control the fact that his teammates weren't very good.

I want to stress, I only want BRob here next year if it makes sense from a baseball perspective. I will always have warm feelings for BRob, but would not let sentiment get in the way of a sound baseball decision. But I do fully understand why a lot of people are attached to him.

What option do you like for next year? Flaherty? Casilla? Schoop? A free agent signing? I like Schoop as the long term solution, I just don't know if he'll be ready by next spring, and therefore signing BRob to a one-year deal could be the best solution for the team if you aren't a fan of Flaherty or Casilla and don't want to commit to a long term deal for a FA.

Chose to stick with the O's???

The O's offered him a deal that no one else would have touched. Many even on OH lambasted that deal as a bad signing... although very few thought it would be this bad.

BRob didn't do he O's a favor, the O's did BRob a favor!!!

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