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I don't think Roberts will get a 5m offer from anyone in baseball. I think if he is an Oriole next year it will be for between 1 and 2m. If he wants more than that I think they let him go and resign Casilla until Schoop is ready.

As far as Schoop playing 3B, its not that he can't. Its that he can't as well as Manny. 2B is where the opening is for the O's and Schoop is likely to fill it sometime next year.

First off, I said Roberts would sign somewhere for under $5m and in the thread regarding it specifically I said $3 from the Orioles. They certainly shouldn't go any higher than that, but hey let's see what they offer Jim Johnson before we start knocking down numbers for defensively challenged second basemen.

Nobody thinks Schoop can handle 3B as well as Manny but who can? That's a ridiculously high bar. The idea is that he gets moved to 3B when Manny is ready to take over for Hardy at SS.

I think they fully intend on seeing whether or not Flaherty can become an everyday player at the ML level and easing Schoop into a role similar to that which Flaherty held until the time the transition takes place.

Of course, that all is blown up if they extend JJ.

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First off, I said Roberts would sign somewhere for under $5m and in the thread regarding it specifically I said $3 from the Orioles. They certainly shouldn't go any higher than that, but hey let's see what they offer Jim Johnson before we start knocking down numbers for defensively challenged second basemen.

Nobody thinks Schoop can handle 3B as well as Manny but who can? That's a ridiculously high bar. The idea is that he gets moved to 3B when Manny is ready to take over for Hardy at SS.

I think they fully intend on seeing whether or not Flaherty can become an everyday player at the ML level and easing Schoop into a role similar to that which Flaherty held until the time the transition takes place.

Of course, that all is blown up if they extend JJ.

I think we will see a Hardy extension this off season.

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Why do you think DD would not want to extend Hardy?

1- He may want to move Machado to short, where he would theoretically have more value.

2- DD wants to improve team OBP and that can't happen if he extends all the guys that don't get on base.

3- He may be hesitant to extend a MI past his age 31 season.

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1- He may want to move Machado to short, where he would theoretically have more value.

2- DD wants to improve team OBP and that can't happen if he extends all the guys that don't get on base.

3- He may be hesitant to extend a MI past his age 31 season.

1) I doubt DD is worried about Manny value.

2) DD can improve the OBP by adding at LF and DH as well as Markakis and Wieters hitting at their career averages.

3) The O's are going to have deal with the idea of keeping players past 31 for not only Hardy but also Jones, Davis and Wieters.

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1) I doubt DD is worried about Manny value.

2) DD can improve the OBP by adding at LF and DH as well as Markakis and Wieters hitting at their career averages.

3) The O's are going to have deal with the idea of keeping players past 31 for not only Hardy but also Jones, Davis and Wieters.

1- You don't know, I don't know, we are both speculating with a side order of projecting.

2- OBP is a real issue for the team and a more drastic overhaul might be needed.

3- Jones and Davis are not middle infielders, I agree that Wieters is also a risk to extend due to age.

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The smart money trades JJ Hardy this offseason. Coming off of his second Gold Glove and with his very reasonable deal he has a ton of value right now. His value will never be higher, and the Orioles could get an absolute haul for Hardy right now.

I know, it won't be popular. Just like trading Jim Johnson wasn't popular after last season, it is still the right baseball decision. But then the old, "ohhhh, I love him" crowd comes out and lets the emotional side win out. Go ahead and flame me now, just like you all did after last season when I said repeatedly that Jim Johnson should be traded. I will check back with you after this coming season and see if you learned anything yet.

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Depends on what you consider "an absolute haul". We're talking about a pending FA after the 2014 season. You have to weight what you get verses how much it hurts the team for the 2014 season. Of course, his value will never be higher. He'll have no value at the end of the season.

His value is certainly higher now then when the Brewers or Twins traded him.

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Right, and who is to say one of those guys isn't my source?

FYI, this guy WOULD know, and that is all I will say.

No one is to say. No one. So it is one of those three folks because they are the only decision makers for personnel on the club.

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That's a very controversial statement! :rolleyes::)

At what point, past or future is Hardy liable to have more trade value then right now?

He might have at the end of the 2011 season with the new contract in hand but he was still regarded as an injury risk at that point so I don't even know about then.

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Loria does it over and over and over. MB made him spend some revenue sharing one year, he got himself a new stadium. And did it all over again.

Yep.

Not a nice guy at all.

On the bright side for the O's, the crap Loria pulled in Miami really hurt the Rays' chances of getting State funding for a new ballpark.

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