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My feeling is that no one should but a sports team looking to make an operating profit. You buy a sports team because you have more money than you know what to do with, you love the sport and/or team, and view it as a hobby. Kind of like buying a boat. You know its going to cost you a boatload of money but you do it because you love it. If you make money because the team wins, great - it's like winning or even breaking even when you go to vegas. But that mentality should be the pre-requisite for anyone buying a sports team.

Four or Five people on this list fall into that category.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Major_League_Baseball_principal_owners

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Why in the world would you think that's what's happening or, if it is, nobody ever would have said a word about it?

Ehh, I'm always trying to turn over rocks that no one else will touch.

It's just a hypothetical. I could see a situation where something like that may happen.

Haha! Guess I shouldn't have said "real problem". Live and learn.

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PA never had a problem signing players to 6 year deals. Markakis, Jones, and Tejada. Tons of 5 year deals. What PA doesn't do is give 6 year deals to 30 or older players and pitchers because well.. they get more and more injury prone.

And why in the hell should PA or any other MLB team owner pay a posting fee for Japanese players?

Well, because, right now, them's the breaks. I think it's kinda laughable, too, but MLB is playing nice with Japan. For the moment, at least.

Not that I'd advocate it. Short of Ichiro, I haven't seen a player come over and have a massive impact that couldn't have been replicated by a player that was already on the market.

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Regularly? No.

I truly believe that PA has dug himself into a comfort zone - one that he knows will turn a profit. His team's infrastructure can't identify and develop MiL talent with any consistency, and he's not willing to cut into his earnings to spend big(er) on FA solutions for the ML club.

The O's are what they are until he's gone. Maybe they'll catch lightning in a bottle again, maybe they won't. If they do, though, lightning (i.e., fleeting luck) will be exactly what it is.

Agreed wholeheartedly, here. In today's game you either have to be willing to spend ravenously, or have an otherwordly organizational structure (ala Tampa, Oakland, etc.) in order to regularly compete. The Orioles are in neither situation, and won't be under Angelos. Ever.

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My feeling is that no one should but a sports team looking to make an operating profit. You buy a sports team because you have more money than you know what to do with, you love the sport and/or team, and view it as a hobby. Kind of like buying a boat. You know its going to cost you a boatload of money but you do it because you love it. If you make money because the team wins, great - it's like winning or even breaking even when you go to vegas. But that mentality should be the pre-requisite for anyone buying a sports team.

Well look what MLB did to keep Cuban out of MLB. But allowed Jeff Loria to buy the Marlins after what happened with Montreal.

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Well, I wouldn't expect much if any activity until after the holiday. The rule v draft is over, so I would expect that Angelos has sent the crew home for the break. Saves on the electric bill at the warehouse. Of course, it seems the Orioles Christmas break started at the winter meetings. Angelos is probably making plans for Christmas eve. You know, come in and steal all of the presents from under the trees in O'ville.

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My feeling is that no one should but a sports team looking to make an operating profit. You buy a sports team because you have more money than you know what to do with, you love the sport and/or team, and view it as a hobby. Kind of like buying a boat. You know its going to cost you a boatload of money but you do it because you love it. If you make money because the team wins, great - it's like winning or even breaking even when you go to vegas. But that mentality should be the pre-requisite for anyone buying a sports team.

Well when you buy a sports team you can run it as a hobby. How about all the players should play for free and they should treat it as a hobby.

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PA never had a problem signing players to 6 year deals. Markakis, Jones, and Tejada. Tons of 5 year deals. What PA doesn't do is give 6 year deals to 30 or older players and pitchers because well.. they get more and more injury prone.

And why in the hell should PA or any other MLB team owner pay a posting fee for Japanese players?

Look bottom line is if Pete does not want to do those things then he sucks as a owner. I am kinda tired of hearing the Wharton School of Business explanation for why Pete does what he does. Owning a baseball team or any sports franchise is not like owning most businesses. Most owners do not buy a baseball team to make money on a yearly basis, they have done that all their lives to get to the point were they could own a team. Its a long term investment. How many owners have you heard of losing money when they sell? Exactly. Pete can run the O's like a business if he so chooses. If he does though he cant expect the fans to view in a warm and fuzzy way. You cant have it both ways.

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Look bottom line is if Pete does not want to do those things then he sucks as a owner. I am kinda tired of hearing the Wharton School of Business explanation for why Pete does what he does. Owning a baseball team or any sports franchise is not like owning most businesses. Most owners do not buy a baseball team to make money on a yearly basis, they have done that all their lives to get to the point were they could own a team. Its a long term investment. How many owners have you heard of losing money when they sell? Exactly. Pete can run the O's like a business if he so chooses. If he does though he cant expect the fans to view in a warm and fuzzy way. You cant have it both ways.

Money today is worth more than money 30 years from now. Also, there is no gurantee that you will get more money for when you sell your franchise. All investments are long-term it doesn't mean you shouldn't get returns from it. Tell me why Owners shouldn't make as much as their highest paid player? You want Angelos to throw his money away like some other baseball owners do. I don't think Pete cares what fans think of him.

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Well, because, right now, them's the breaks. I think it's kinda laughable, too, but MLB is playing nice with Japan. For the moment, at least.

Not that I'd advocate it. Short of Ichiro, I haven't seen a player come over and have a massive impact that couldn't have been replicated by a player that was already on the market.

Yu Darvish. I don't get the not paying the posting fee thing. You just put the posting fee into the total cost of the contract and if it makes sense. If you pay 20 million posting fee and give the guy a contract for 8 million a year over 6 years that is that is a total cost of 68 million for 6 years and if the player is a top star why wouldnt you pay that? Who cares that the team in Japan gets 20 million of those 68 million dollars?

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My theory is that as great as the 2012 season was, it ended up being the worst possible thing that could happen. Contrary to what we all believed, that once we finally got a good team that we'd spend and bring in a big FA or two to put the team over the hump, it didn't happen.

Rather, the team won in a manner that couldn't be sustainable, but it didn't matter. I'm assuming Angelos didn't care that the experts said that the way they won was unsustainable, he just care that they won. And they won without spending big bucks on high priced free agents.

Therefore, there's no need to spend any more than what the 2012 team spent. There's no need to bring in a stud pitcher or another big bat or two more awesome bullpen arms because...well, we took the Yankees to the 5th game in the division playoffs and won 93 games.

I'm assuming that's how Angelos sees it, anyway.

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Well when you buy a sports team you can run it as a hobby. How about all the players should play for free and they should treat it as a hobby.

because the players have no other sources of income. In every case the owners made their fortunes elsewhere.

Angelos is the worst of both worlds?he runs it as a hobby (obviously his law practice is his real job) and he's only interested in that hobby being profitable.

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We're so sorry Uncle Albert

We're so sorry if we caused you any pain

We're so sorry Uncle Albert But there's no one left at home

And I believe I'm gonna rain

We're so sorry but we haven't heard a thing all day

We're so Sorry Uncle Albert But if anything should happen we'll be sure to give a ring

We're so sorry Uncle Albert But we haven't done a bloody thing all day

We're so sorry Uncle Albert But the kettle's on the boil and we're so easily called away

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Yes, his last contract was a steal. Be happy with that. No need to do the opposite now and even things out. Hardy has been healthy and productive for 3 years now. I don't like pressing our luck and hoping for 4 more at market or close to market rates. Duquette wasn't sentimental with Jim Johnson. I hope he isn't with Hardy either. If he has a another good year, make the qualifying offer and take the pick. Let someone else risk 12-14M a year on his age 32-34,35 seasons. The Orioles should/could have an infield of Flaherty/Machado/Schoop to start 2015. Young and cheap. Hardy's money to be spent in other areas.

Even if Hardy isn't resigned the saved money will only go to "reallocating" (aka in PA's pocket) or whatever DD said, as long as Angelos is the owner.

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