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True. The guys with the statues were ingrained in the community and/or were LEGENDS in Baltimore. Mussina is neither of those things.

Mussina was arguably as good or better than Palmer, but he didn't play for iconic Oriole teams or go to a World Series while he was here. I loved watching him pitch, and never held his move to the Yankees against him, but no way should he have a statue at OPACY, nor will he.

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I'm pretty sure that I heard/read that PA paid for them. I could be mistaken though. I'm sure someone else on the boards knows for sure.

You were right. The MSA paid for everything else and the Ballclub paid for the statues.

The renovations were estimated at $1.8 million and the expenses will come out of the Supplemental Improvements Fund for Maryland Stadium Authority structures and' date=' to a lesser extent, the Authority's operations funds.

The statues, however, will be paid for by the ballclub.[/quote']

http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2011-12-19/sports/bs-sp-orioles-park-1220-20111219_1_statues-baltimore-s-new-arts-foundry-famer

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Mussina was arguably as good or better than Palmer, but he didn't play for iconic Oriole teams or go to a World Series while he was here. I loved watching him pitch, and never held his move to the Yankees against him, but no way should he have a statue at OPACY, nor will he.

I agree, Frobby. Mussina was a GREAT pitcher, and, in my opinion, should be a HOFer.

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Paul Blair and Rick Dempsey are NOT HOF members, though.

Right, you didn't state that was a requirement, I did.

Right now there is no one in the HoF with an Orioles hat on (current team) that doesn't have a statue.

There are players that some of us think would be worthy of the honor (Blair for instance) that don't have a statue.

I come to the conclusion that the Hat in the Hall is the primary requirement.

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If Mussina somehow makes the Hall of Fame, my bet is that the orioles will acknowledge the feat somehow at OPACY. ( Especially if he is inducted as an Oriole.)

I doubt that he gets a statue, however, he may have his number retired and have his numer dispalyed by the Babe ruth statue on Eutaw St.

I don't think we'll have to worry about this for several years.

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If Mussina somehow makes the Hall of Fame, my bet is that the orioles will acknowledge the feat somehow at OPACY. ( Especially if he is inducted as an Oriole.)

I doubt that he gets a statue, however, he may have his number retired and have his numer dispalyed by the Babe ruth statue on Eutaw St.

I don't think we'll have to worry about this for several years.

He has a decent wait in front of him is my guess.

And I don't think he goes in with an O's hat which will make the whole point moot.

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Mussina was arguably as good or better than Palmer, but he didn't play for iconic Oriole teams or go to a World Series while he was here. I loved watching him pitch, and never held his move to the Yankees against him, but no way should he have a statue at OPACY, nor will he.

I politely disagree. Mussina never dominated the league as Palmer did for a three or four year period. While I think overall you can make an argument that their numbers where similar I believe Palmer was the better competitor. To steal a question asked earlier. I'd take Palmer over Mussina in a game 7 every time period! Secondly, if he eventually goes in the HOF as an Oriole I think he should and will without a doubt have a stature. As I said earlier...I think this is a theoretical argument because if he goes into the HOF it want be as an Oriole.

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He has a decent wait in front of him is my guess.

And I don't think he goes in with an O's hat which will make the whole point moot.

At this point I couldn't care less as to what hat he's wearing when he goes in.

That bridge has been burned.

How was he received at the Orioles HOF induction? Just curious.

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If Mussina somehow makes the Hall of Fame, my bet is that the orioles will acknowledge the feat somehow at OPACY. ( Especially if he is inducted as an Oriole.)

I doubt that he gets a statue, however, he may have his number retired and have his numer dispalyed by the Babe ruth statue on Eutaw St.

I don't think we'll have to worry about this for several years.

I'm as in the tank for Mike Mussina as anybody, but I can't imagine his number being retired even he gets in and has an Oriole hat on his plaque. Not to turn it into who was better or who did more, deserves more, etc., but if Mussina gets his number retired then why not Dave McNally? Or Cuellar? Why not revisit Boog Powell, or Mike Flanagan, or even Brady? Frankly I think they were all significant in the history of the Orioles in one way or another, and if the Orioles were like other teams and retired more numbers, some of them would have already been retired. But, setting the bar at baseball Hall of Famer with an Orioles cap sets a pretty high bar that cuts off a lot of deserving guys, and given that a lot of people have worn these numbers since these guys left or retired, save for #46, I don't see that changing with Mussina and #35 even if he's wearing a bird on a plaque.

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At this point I couldn't care less as to what hat he's wearing when he goes in.

That bridge has been burned.

How was he received at the Orioles HOF induction? Just curious.

Considering it had rained most of the time before the ceremony it was a pretty sparse crowd, and would have been regardless of who was inducted. From what I could tell it was a pretty receptive audience for who was there, than again telling the difference between "Boo" and "Moose" was always a difficult task.

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I'm as in the tank for Mike Mussina as anybody, but I can't imagine his number being retired even he gets in and has an Oriole hat on his plaque. Not to turn it into who was better or who did more, deserves more, etc., but if Mussina gets his number retired then why not Dave McNally? Or Cuellar? Why not revisit Boog Powell, or Mike Flanagan, or even Brady? Frankly I think they were all significant in the history of the Orioles in one way or another, and if the Orioles were like other teams and retired more numbers, some of them would have already been retired. But, setting the bar at baseball Hall of Famer with an Orioles cap sets a pretty high bar that cuts off a lot of deserving guys, and given that a lot of people have worn these numbers since these guys left or retired, save for #46, I don't see that changing with Mussina and #35 even if he's wearing a bird on a plaque.

It's not that I care that much, because I'm not a huge fan of retiring numbers.

My only point is that I believe that the Orioles will be in a strange place if Mussina is inducted into the Hall of Fame as an Oriole since all of the orioles who have their numbers retired went into the Baseball Hall of Fame as an Oriole.

This seems to be the standard that the Orioles have set for themselves, and while some of the players you mention are much more beloved to the oriole fan base, they are not Hall of Fame players.

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Mussina was arguably as good or better than Palmer, but he didn't play for iconic Oriole teams or go to a World Series while he was here. I loved watching him pitch, and never held his move to the Yankees against him, but no way should he have a statue at OPACY, nor will he.

Few modern athletes of his caliber have done less to endear themselves to their teammates or the community in which they played. While that is not as significant as how great a player he was, I think it is important. If entry to the HOF is going to be based just on numbers, they might as well set up benchmarks and forget the voting. The fact that there is a human element involved means that a player's popularity with fans and media counts -- that is a big part of fame, after all.

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Few modern athletes of his caliber have done less to endear themselves to their teammates or the community in which they played. While that is not as significant as how great a player he was, I think it is important. If entry to the HOF is going to be based just on numbers, they might as well set up benchmarks and forget the voting. The fact that there is a human element involved means that a player's popularity with fans and media counts -- that is a big part of fame, after all.

This is a good point. After all, sportswriters are human biengs as well. They are going to have a tendency to vote for guys that treated them well rather than some one who treated them with distain. Especially if they have multiple choices like they did this year.

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