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Only in bird land would we consider missing the playoffs a winning season. Barely winning more than you lose may be more fun than losing 100 games but it is "winning" as far as I am concerned.

The goal should always be to reach and win the WS.

But, this team isn't trying to setup for a WS run.

We can either hit our head on the brickwall. :bangwall:

Or we can drink the kool-aid. :new_beer:

Or we can root like heck for our guys and miracles do happen. :clap:

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While I agree with this, he's also semi-acknowledged that we have a window of opportunity here. We have Wieters and Davis for the next two seasons and we haven't really done a whole lot these last two offseasons to supplement a suspect pitching staff.

The window isn't controlled by Wieters and Davis though. By the time they're gone Gausman and Bundy will have hopefully stepped up and we'll still have Machado and Jones. Guys like Tillman and Gonzalez will still be around after that. Wieters and Davis are not our only chance at winning. It's not over when they leave. Personally I think they should be proactive about that and trade them but we all know that's not happening.

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The goal should always be to reach and win the WS.

But, this team isn't trying to setup for a WS run.

We can either hit our head on the brickwall. :bangwall:

Or we can drink the kool-aid. :new_beer:

Or we can root like heck for our guys and miracles do happen. :clap:

Don't get me wrong, I will still root like heck for said miracle but I won't look back on an 85 win season and consider it a success nor a "winning season". My bar is higher.

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The window isn't controlled by Wieters and Davis though. By the time they're gone Gausman and Bundy will have hopefully stepped up and we'll still have Machado and Jones. Guys like Tillman and Gonzalez will still be around after that. Wieters and Davis are not our only chance at winning. It's not over when they leave. Personally I think they should be proactive about that and trade them but we all know that's not happening.

I think that Wieters leaving is pretty much inevitable. The writing is on the wall with all of the catchers that they took last year in the draft. I think that Davis has a decent chance at getting extended. Stud middle of the order bats that can also play an average to above average 1B don't grow on trees. I think that Davis either gets extended this year or is traded during next off season. On the other hand, I think that we will just keep Wieters and get a pick for him.

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Don't get me wrong, I will still root like heck for said miracle but I won't look back on an 85 win season and consider it a success nor a "winning season". My bar is higher.

Just some advice. Enjoy your life. Don't have your goals be so lofty. You only get one ride. Make it fun.

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The window isn't controlled by Wieters and Davis though. By the time they're gone Gausman and Bundy will have hopefully stepped up and we'll still have Machado and Jones. Guys like Tillman and Gonzalez will still be around after that. Wieters and Davis are not our only chance at winning. It's not over when they leave. Personally I think they should be proactive about that and trade them but we all know that's not happening.

I agree with this. I think we should have struck while the iron is hot with Davis. Personally, I would have dealt Wieters for good prospects. I wouldn't have needed a major-league caliber player back in return.

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Just some advice. Enjoy your life. Don't have your goals be so lofty. You only get one ride. Make it fun.

Presumptuous to assume that the Orioles success or failure affects my enjoyment of life at all don't you think? I can enjoy watching the Orioles and enjoy my life and still call a spade a spade. ;)

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Only in bird land would we consider missing the playoffs a winning season. Barely winning more than you lose may be more fun than losing 100 games but it is "winning" as far as I am concerned.

No, that's considered a winning season literally everywhere. A winning season is, by definition, winning more games than you lose. Doesn't mean we have to consider it a success or say "job well done," but 85-77 is obviously a winning season.

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No, that's considered a winning season literally everywhere. A winning season is, by definition, winning more games than you lose. Doesn't mean we have to consider it a success or say "job well done," but 85-77 is obviously a winning season.

And I would have taken an 85-77 season every single year during the losing streak instead of a losing one. Call it repetitive or treading water, but I'd rather tread water and have something, anything to look forward to than giving up by June.

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No, that's considered a winning season literally everywhere. A winning season is, by definition, winning more games than you lose. Doesn't mean we have to consider it a success or say "job well done," but 85-77 is obviously a winning season.

If somebody says they are going to bring "winning baseball" to the Orioles, I expect more than 85-77 to consider that to have happened. I am also comfortable if I am alone in that opinion. :D

I will agree that 85-77 sure beats 77-85 though! Still doesn't mean we really won anything though. IMO

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If somebody says they are going to bring "winning baseball" to the Orioles, I expect more than 85-77 to consider that to have happened. I am also comfortable if I am alone in that opinion. :D

I will agree that 85-77 sure beats 77-85 though! Still doesn't mean we really won anything though. IMO

Perhaps "winning" baseball means "championship" baseball to you.

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Perhaps "winning" baseball means "championship" baseball to you.

I concede shades of grey with the definition of "winning" Making the playoffs inn baseball is difficult and worthy of the term. In that case they would have won enough to earn a spot in the playoffs and a chance at a championship. They "won" enough to get to the second season. They then could "win" a playoff series and maybe win a pennant and maybe even win a championship.

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The window isn't controlled by Wieters and Davis though. By the time they're gone Gausman and Bundy will have hopefully stepped up and we'll still have Machado and Jones. Guys like Tillman and Gonzalez will still be around after that. Wieters and Davis are not our only chance at winning. It's not over when they leave. Personally I think they should be proactive about that and trade them but we all know that's not happening.
If we sat in house when Wieters and Davis are gone this is our likely starting line up:

1B Flaherty

2B Schoop

SS Hardy

3B Manny

LF Peguero/Lough

CF Jones

RF Urrutia

C Ohlman

DH Cust :rofl::mwahaha::smile11:

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