Price tag for Santana & Jimenez has come down to 14.1 -14.6 $mill per season for 3/4 year deals

[xian4]

We may go to three years but give up a draft pick for these two ?

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[skanar]

...and the price tag is still pretty ridiculous. Matt Garza signed for 4/$52M, which is $13M per. Garza is a more consistent pitcher than Jimenez and Santana in terms of results but has injury issues - call it a wash in performance. But his price was without a draft pick.

If the draft pick is worth, say, $10M in excess value, the market value for Jimenez/Santana is more like 3/$30M or 4/$40M - not 3/$52M or 4/$66M.

In other words, the asking price is still about 50% too high for fair value - never mind what the Orioles should consider based on their marginal situation and the existence of Burnett as a possible alternative.

[weams]

...and the price tag is still pretty ridiculous. Matt Garza signed for 4/$52M, which is $13M per. Garza is a more consistent pitcher than Jimenez and Santana in terms of results but has injury issues - call it a wash in performance. But his price was without a draft pick.

If the draft pick is worth, say, $10M in excess value, the market value for Jimenez/Santana is more like 3/$30M or 4/$40M - not 3/$52M or 4/$66M.

In other words, the asking price is still about 50% too high for fair value - never mind what the Orioles should consider based on their marginal situation and the existence of Burnett as a possible alternative.

Absolutely. And they say it as if three day old bread is a deal at 20% off.

[mdbdotcom]

If either of them is worth $42 million for three years, Burnett is worth 17 for one.

[atomic]

If either of them is worth $42 million for three years, Burnett is worth 17 for one.

Why Santana is a better pitcher than Burnett and younger and has had recent success in the American Legaue. I would go three years 40 million for Santana. I wouldn't pay Burnett 17 million for a season just to see him get lit up.

[SoBo]

When it gets down to about 3 yr 11-12mm per they'll find a home. Their inconsistent track records and the draft pick will make sure of it.

[mcgraw238]

If either of them is worth $42 million for three years, Burnett is worth 17 for one.

I agree with this position. I'd rather make a big offer to AJ. I think we will dread a Jiminez deal.

[UpstateNYfan]

It's like the MSRP on cars. Doesn't mean they will get. Agent talk.

[skanar]

The other side of the coin says that Matt Garza has made 42 starts over the last two years combined and reportedly has a screw in his elbow while Santana has made over 30 starts 4 consecutive years and Jiminez has made over 30 starts 8 years in a row. Fair value for free agents? Isn't that an oxymoron?

...I explicitly mentioned that Garza has injury concerns. Even in his limited time over the last two seasons, Garza (2.6 WAR) was worth more than either Jimenez (2.1) or Santana (1.6). As I wrote, I think the three pitchers are worth about the same amount based purely on their track records - but Santana and Jimenez cost the draft pick and Garza didn't.

By "fair value" I meant that Garza set the market for pitchers in this tier, and that this quoted asking price is still far higher than that.

[kyleott]

I find myself agreeing with RZNJ here, and for some reason, Jimenez is beginning to become more appealing.

For an eventual deal in the 3 ~ 33 mil range I think that he could be a real steal. I read this article (http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/43634906/) earlier last year and it makes me feel as though his performance last year is more an indicator of things to come than it is the norm to his performance. This particularly applies to his innings per start.

Some may be a bit hasty to immediately assume that he can never regain the form he had in Colorado.

[mcgraw238]

Possibly, but he has the highest upside and I would take the risk. He was great in 2010. Not so bad the first of of 2011 and then stunk for 1 1/2 years with the Indians. BUT, last year is #2 starter stuff in the AL. He has a lot of mileage on his arm but he's only 30 years old and he's a big strong guy. Maybe he lost some velocity and it took him awhile to adjust to it. Maybe he put pressure on himself going to a new league and a new team. I don't know. Maybe he'll stink but he sure didn't stink last year.

Way to many question marks for me. You have to throw 2010 out the window as he was sitting high 90's that season which is long gone. Two seasons of 5 ERA before bouncing back last year but still didn't go deep into game. The pick, years, and AAV all make me want to pass.

[weams]

I agree with this position. I'd rather make a big offer to AJ. I think we will dread a Jiminez deal.

How big a deal for two years would you offer Burnett?

[ChuckS]

Burnett is definitely the safest bet with a one year contract.

Give me Jimenez though. He is only three years removed from a year where he finished third in Cy Young voting and looked pretty damn good with Cleveland last year. I like the upside and three years at around 40 million is not breaking the bank.

Santana meanwhile is coming a year where he pitched in KC (pitchers park) and a career in LA (another pitchers park). I could easily see him getting lit up playing in Baltimore in the AL East, but he will at least give us innings.

So in conclusion Jimenez>Burnett>Santana>do nothing.

[Barnaby Graves]

Ervin Santana would have a HR/9 of 2.0 if he played for us. I think Ubaldo would be a good signing and is someone Duquette should really be after.

[Dipper9]

We may go to three years but give up a draft pick for these two ?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>.<a href="https://twitter.com/Jim_Duquette">@Jim_Duquette</a>: "The price tag for both Santana & Jimenez has come down. 3-4 year range, around 14.1-14.6 mil per year." <a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23BlueJays&src=hash">#BlueJays</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Orioles&src=hash">#Orioles</a></p>? MLB Network Radio (@MLBNetworkRadio) <a href="

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