Price tag for Santana & Jimenez has come down to 14.1 -14.6 $mill per season for 3/4 year deals

[tntoriole]

Considering that we gave a compensatory pick and two good prospects for a few years of Bud Norris, I don't think it should be out of bounds to give up a first round draft pick to sign someone who is likely to be a lot better than Bud Norris.

Put it this way: if the O's don't sign anyone good, and they manage to play their way into contention in the first half in spite of it, they'll probably be looking to trade prospects for a half-year rental at the trade deadline. Trading prospects and trading a draft pick aren't that different--why not just get a good pitcher now?

It still bugs me that they gave the compensatory pick. It would have been a deal breaker for me.

[Guest]

We may go to three years but give up a draft pick for these two ?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>.<a href="https://twitter.com/Jim_Duquette">@Jim_Duquette</a>: "The price tag for both Santana & Jimenez has come down. 3-4 year range, around 14.1-14.6 mil per year." <a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23BlueJays&src=hash">#BlueJays</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Orioles&src=hash">#Orioles</a></p>— MLB Network Radio (@MLBNetworkRadio) <a href="

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So rule the Orioles out.

[weams]

It still bugs me that they gave the compensatory pick. It would have been a deal breaker for me.

Chen was hurt. MiGo was hurt. Jim Johnson stunk. The raft was sinking. We needed Bud Norris. Even though it did not matter.

[25 Nuggets]

Let's not forget Norris is still with the team, and has potential to pitch very well. I'd prefer to move him to the #5 spot or even the pen... but if he can put together a year where he can get lefties out, he'll have value.

[weams]

So rule the Orioles out.

Ok. I will thanks. Saves me the trouble of reading any tweets about them.

[atomic]

So rule the Orioles out.

I wonder what the Orioles excuse will be if he signs with the Blue Jays. They can't use the NL excuse. I guess they will fall back to the "They liked him more than us" excuse.

[25 Nuggets]

The Blue Jays would also not have to give up their 1st round pick as they are picking 9th, if I'm correct.

[Guest]

2013 Tim Anderson, SS, East Central HS (MS), Chicago White Sox

2012 DJ Davis, OF, Stone County HS (MS), Toronto Blue Jays

2011 C.J. Cron, 1B, Utah, Los Angeles Angels

2010 Josh Sale, 3B/OF, Bishop Blanchet HS (WA), Tampa Bay Rays

2009 AJ Pollock, OF, Notre Dame, Arizona Diamondbacks

2008 David Cooper, 1B, Cal, Toronto Blue Jays

2007 Blake Beavan, RHP, Irving HS (TX), Texas Rangers

2006 Matt Antonelli, 3B, Wake Forest, San Diego Padres

2005 Carl Henry, SS, Putnam City (OK) HS, New York Yankees

2004 Timothy Elbert, LHP, Seneca HS (MO), Los Angeles Dodgers

2003 David Murphy, CF, Baylor U (TX), Boston Red Sox

2002 Cole Hamels, P, Rancho Bernardo HS (CA), Philadelphia Phillies

2001 Daniel Denham, P, Deer Valley HS (Antioch,CA), Cleveland Indians

2000 Ben Diggins, P, University of Arizona, Los Angeles Dodgers

1999 Rick Asadoorian, OF, Northbridge HS (MA), Boston Red Sox

1998 Brad Lidge, P, University of Notre Dame, Houston Astros

1997 John Curtice, P, Great Bridge HS (VA), Boston Red Sox

1996 Todd Noel, P, North Vermillion HS (LA), Chicago Cubs

1995 Roy Halladay, P, West HS (Arvada,CO), Toronto Blue Jays

1994 Ramon Castro, C, Lino Padron Rivera HS (PR), Houston Astros

1993 Scott Christman, P, Oregon State University, Chicago White Sox

1992 Jim Pittsley, P, Dubois Area HS (Dubois,PA), Kansas City Royals

1991 Eduardo Perez, 1B, Florida State University, California Angels

1990 Jeromy Burnitz, OF, Oklahoma State University, New York Mets

1989 Cal Eldred, P, University of Iowa, Milwaukee Brewers

1988 Charles Nagy, P, University of Connecticut, Cleveland Indians

1987 Alex Sanchez, P, UCLA, Toronto Blue Jays

1986 Scott Scudder, P, Prairiland HS (Blossom,TX), Cincinnati Reds

1985 Brian McRae, SS, Manatee HS (FL), Kansas City Royals

1984 Don August, P, Chapman University, Houston Astros

1983 Terry Bell, C, Old Dominion University, Seattle Mariners

1982 Tony Woods, SS, Whittier College, Chicago Cubs

1981 Ricky Barlow, P, Woodville HS (TX), Detroit Tigers

1980 Dennis Rasmussen, P, Creighton University, California Angels

All the number 17 picks since 1980. You give the pick up all the time if the player makes you better now.

[weams]

2013 Tim Anderson, SS, East Central HS (MS), Chicago White Sox

2012 DJ Davis, OF, Stone County HS (MS), Toronto Blue Jays

2011 C.J. Cron, 1B, Utah, Los Angeles Angels

2010 Josh Sale, 3B/OF, Bishop Blanchet HS (WA), Tampa Bay Rays

2009 AJ Pollock, OF, Notre Dame, Arizona Diamondbacks

2008 David Cooper, 1B, Cal, Toronto Blue Jays

2007 Blake Beavan, RHP, Irving HS (TX), Texas Rangers

2006 Matt Antonelli, 3B, Wake Forest, San Diego Padres

2005 Carl Henry, SS, Putnam City (OK) HS, New York Yankees

2004 Timothy Elbert, LHP, Seneca HS (MO), Los Angeles Dodgers

2003 David Murphy, CF, Baylor U (TX), Boston Red Sox

2002 Cole Hamels, P, Rancho Bernardo HS (CA), Philadelphia Phillies

2001 Daniel Denham, P, Deer Valley HS (Antioch,CA), Cleveland Indians

2000 Ben Diggins, P, University of Arizona, Los Angeles Dodgers

1999 Rick Asadoorian, OF, Northbridge HS (MA), Boston Red Sox

1998 Brad Lidge, P, University of Notre Dame, Houston Astros

1997 John Curtice, P, Great Bridge HS (VA), Boston Red Sox

1996 Todd Noel, P, North Vermillion HS (LA), Chicago Cubs

1995 Roy Halladay, P, West HS (Arvada,CO), Toronto Blue Jays

1994 Ramon Castro, C, Lino Padron Rivera HS (PR), Houston Astros

1993 Scott Christman, P, Oregon State University, Chicago White Sox

1992 Jim Pittsley, P, Dubois Area HS (Dubois,PA), Kansas City Royals

1991 Eduardo Perez, 1B, Florida State University, California Angels

1990 Jeromy Burnitz, OF, Oklahoma State University, New York Mets

1989 Cal Eldred, P, University of Iowa, Milwaukee Brewers

1988 Charles Nagy, P, University of Connecticut, Cleveland Indians

1987 Alex Sanchez, P, UCLA, Toronto Blue Jays

1986 Scott Scudder, P, Prairiland HS (Blossom,TX), Cincinnati Reds

1985 Brian McRae, SS, Manatee HS (FL), Kansas City Royals

1984 Don August, P, Chapman University, Houston Astros

1983 Terry Bell, C, Old Dominion University, Seattle Mariners

1982 Tony Woods, SS, Whittier College, Chicago Cubs

1981 Ricky Barlow, P, Woodville HS (TX), Detroit Tigers

1980 Dennis Rasmussen, P, Creighton University, California Angels

All the number 17 picks since 1980. You give the pick up all the time if the player makes you better now.

2011 C.J. Cron, 1B, Utah, Los Angeles Angels

2003 David Murphy, CF, Baylor U (TX), Boston Red Sox

2002 Cole Hamels, P, Rancho Bernardo HS (CA), Philadelphia Phillies

1998 Brad Lidge, P, University of Notre Dame, Houston Astros

1995 Roy Halladay, P, West HS (Arvada,CO), Toronto Blue Jays

1990 Jeromy Burnitz, OF, Oklahoma State University, New York Mets

1989 Cal Eldred, P, University of Iowa, Milwaukee Brewers

1988 Charles Nagy, P, University of Connecticut, Cleveland Indians

Do you have any idea what value is above? Any?

As well as those who have been picked after 17.

You need to rethink a bit of this. I am not saying it is off the table, but wow. It's a lot to give up.

[Dannyboy]

So rule the Orioles out.

And rightfully so. Way too much money for either of them.

[Guest]

2011 C.J. Cron, 1B, Utah, Los Angeles Angels

2003 David Murphy, CF, Baylor U (TX), Boston Red Sox

2002 Cole Hamels, P, Rancho Bernardo HS (CA), Philadelphia Phillies

1998 Brad Lidge, P, University of Notre Dame, Houston Astros

1995 Roy Halladay, P, West HS (Arvada,CO), Toronto Blue Jays

1990 Jeromy Burnitz, OF, Oklahoma State University, New York Mets

1989 Cal Eldred, P, University of Iowa, Milwaukee Brewers

1988 Charles Nagy, P, University of Connecticut, Cleveland Indians

Do you have any idea what value is above? Any?

As well as those who have been picked after 17.

You need to rethink a bit of this. I am not saying it is off the table, but wow. It's a lot to give up.

Orioles can do no wrong in your eyes.

[Guest]

And rightfully so. Way too much money for either of them.

LOL I know it's so much better using 14 starting pitchers every year.

[lovetoaster]

Orioles can do no wrong in your eyes.

Well, that's ironic, they can do no right in yours.

[weams]

Orioles can do no wrong in your eyes.

None of them are Orioles. I am not talking about the Orioles. I am talking about your post.

[weams]

Well, that's ironic, they can do no right in yours.

Well, I guess it is all good for a healthy balance.

I make no secret that I am an actual fan of the Orioles. The product now, the Historical product. The Orioles. But this off season and last has me scratching my head. I want to sign a pitcher. Extend Hardy and Davis. And watch my team win more times than they lose.