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I rarely post much but visit here daily. My take:

I was one not to mortgage the future for a Lester type BUT consider this... The AL East is wacky this year. Its the O's division so why not try and land a game changer Lester type. This O's team mirrors Buck "Tough and never going to back down." This team in my opinion has the "destiny" factor. I would trade ONE of the BIG 3 and add another small prospect or two OR a Gonzo type to get Lester. This type of season is very rare considering the Economics of Baseball. You think the NYY aren't going to spend gazillions this off-season to buy themselves back to the top??? Of course they are... You might as well strike will the "Trading Iron" is HOT!

And that is how you end up in the same 15 year rut the Orioles were stuck in. No thanks.

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I would absolutely, in a heartbeat give up Bundy, ERod, or Gonzalez (or all three) if I knew ex-ante it would guarantee us a World Series title (bird in the hand and all that). Unfortunately, in this real world that we all live in, I don't know whether that would happen or not.

So, going with strictly what we know, I say don't give up anything of real value.

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I'm less concerned about being without Bundy/Harvey and more concerned about having to grumpily watch them own us as a member of the Red Sox organization.

I could get over that. The idea of Bundy or Harvey as a future ace OTOH. Not that I don't hate the Red Sox but I could swallow that part.

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Orioles can win the east now and maybe a WS. People keep saying 6 years with Bundy who knows Bundy might be pitching on a Orioles team only winning 70 games a year.

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I agree. Should have been wheeling and dealing for 2 to 3 years now.

It's pretty amazing how quickly they fell. They were winning hte WS and contending for it my first years at Mason. And now over two years post graduation they're worse than the Mets. I guess it's a lesson on contracts and how quickly your luck can turn.

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Orioles can win the east now and maybe a WS. People keep saying 6 years with Bundy who knows Bundy might be pitching on a Orioles team only winning 70 games a year.
If that's what you project for the Orioles, are you saying that one lone shot at a world series title would be worth it when looking at the bigger picture? I doubt the Red Sox fans are still happy celebrating their title book-ended by possible last place finishes, and not ruing this season.
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http://www.si.com/mlb/2014/07/30/baltimore-orioles-boston-red-sox-jon-lester

The Boston Red Sox and Baltimore Orioles are discussing a deal that would send pitcher Jon Lester to Baltimore, reports Brittany Ghiroli of MLB.com.

According to Pete Abraham of the Boston Globe, the potential trade would return a pitcher to the Red Sox, and Ghiroli reports Orioles right-hander Miguel Gonzalez could be involved.

Ghiroli said the deal is not done yet, but talks between the sides have "stepped up considerably." Earlier Wednesday, it was reported that the Orioles were likely out of the Jon Lester sweepstakes, reluctant to give up their young pitching prospects like Kevin Gausman. Ghiroli was recently told it is "very unlikely" the deal being discussed would include Gausman.

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Having Twitter issues so gonna try again. Got multiple people now saying O's not close to Lester deal. Still asking too much. So...</p>? Roch Kubatko (@masnRoch) <a href="
">July 30, 2014</a></blockquote>

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This is the most encouraging tweet of the afternoon. The "too much" is obviously one of Harvey/Bundy/Gausman and DD is holding fast.

If they continue to demand one of those guys and the Dan sticks to his guns to let the deal fall through, I'll consider it a huge success. Dan is too smart to give up any of them but the Red Sox are threatening with "we have other options" to get Dan to break.

Don't give in, Dan!

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Orioles can win the east now and maybe a WS. People keep saying 6 years with Bundy who knows Bundy might be pitching on a Orioles team only winning 70 games a year.

And how far towards that goal does Lester push the Orioles? Not that much. He's going to be maybe a win or two more valuable than what they already have, and he's going to make it ever slightly more likely they get through the playoffs before he goes and resigns with the Red Sox.

Do you really want to face a 2015 Red Sox team with both Lester and Bundy in the rotation, and the O's probably not in possession of the '14 World Championship?

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And how far towards that goal does Lester push the Orioles? Not that much. He's going to be maybe a win or two more valuable than what they already have, and he's going to make it ever slightly more likely they get through the playoffs before he goes and resigns with the Red Sox.

Do you really want to face a 2015 Red Sox team with both Lester and Bundy in the rotation, and the O's probably not in possession of the '14 World Championship?

I trust Lester in game 1 and 4 of a series more then any pitcher on this staff. Pitching wins in the post season.

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I trust Lester in game 1 and 4 of a series then any pitcher on this staff. Pitching wins in the post season.

Listen it would be one thing if you could tell me conclusively that Lester would win those games and that our guys would struggle. If you recall the 2012 post-season our starting pitching was actually quite strong.

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