Regretting Not Signing Andrew Miller?

[Can_of_corn]

From What I can tell, he would have to sell the Law Firm to do that.

I would not be surprised to find out that the Law Firm is being supported by the Orioles. *

* That is pure speculation on my part, I have no evidence to support it.

[Can_of_corn]

How would Apple, Google, or the Yankees feel about that?

Well it is more then Amazon makes.

[DrungoHazewood]

The logical reason would be that most of his wealth is tied up in three entities: His law firm, the Orioles, and MASN. Of those three there are rumors that one is struggling (we know they have reduced the workforce) and one is tied up in litigation. So while his assets have substantial value one has to question the liquidity.

I don't see why anyone should expect the ownership to be happy with a ROI in the 2.5% range which is more or less what he is being suggested.

Details... details... Most of the fanbase would probably vote for the team to be run as a public trust or a non-profit. Even more would be for it as a wealthy guy's vanity project, pouring his own money in to operate at a loss.

[Can_of_corn]

Details... details... Most of the fanbase would probably vote for the team to be run as a public trust or a non-profit. Even more would be for it as a wealthy guy's vanity project, pouring his own money in to operate at a loss.

Well the city could also use eminent domain...

[24fps]

Miller was absolutely filthy tonight shutting down the Red Sox. Why he was almost as good as Boxberger was against the O's.

Edit: Boxberger makes $521,400.00. Miller makes $9,000,000.00. For those without a calculator, Boxberger makes a little less than 6% of Miller's salary.

So what is the takeaway?

A. Value exists in major league baseball for those who are willing to expend the effort to find it.

B. Peter Angelos is a selfish profiteer who cares nothing about the Orioles fan base, otherwise cost would be no object in such a clear-cut case of obviousness.

Yes this is a litmus test. So are you pink or blue?

[brianod]

Miller was absolutely filthy tonight shutting down the Red Sox. Why he was almost as good as Boxberger was against the O's.

Edit: Boxberger makes $521,400.00. Miller makes $9,000,000.00. For those without a calculator, Boxberger makes a little less than 6% of Miller's salary.

So what is the takeaway?

A. Value exists in major league baseball for those who are willing to expend the effort to find it.

B. Peter Angelos is a selfish profiteer who cares nothing about the Orioles fan base, otherwise cost would be no object in such a clear-cut case of obviousness.

Yes this is a litmus test. So are you pink or blue?

Miller has been unhittable for about a year and a half. History is replete with guys that have had wonderful months, both as replacement players and bullpen guys. History is not replete with guys that have been unhittable for over a year. There always seems to be an excuse for this team NOT to spend money. Relief pitchers are fickle and injury prone. Guys are getting old and not worth the investment. I would like someone arguing against signing Markakis, Cruz, Miller, Kemp, etc. to tell me when IS a good time to spend money?

[foxfield]

Miller has been unhittable for about a year and a half. History is replete with guys that have had wonderful months, both as replacement players and bullpen guys. History is not replete with guys that have been unhittable for over a year. There always seems to be an excuse for this team NOT to spend money. Relief pitchers are fickle and injury prone. Guys are getting old and not worth the investment. I would like someone arguing against signing Markakis, Cruz, Miller, Kemp, etc. to tell me when IS a good time to spend money?

I think that is fair. I think the answer is more along the lines of total money for the team than any particular person that you name above. Personally, I would have spent money for Miller but I honestly think it's a mistake to assume he would have signed for us at the money that the Yankees got him. That said, I would have made a run so that if the Yankees still took him (and I think they would have) they would have paid filthy money. All of the others, I do not think would be worth it.

I would also say that I would spend on Manny and Chris Tillman.

[weams]

Miller was absolutely filthy tonight shutting down the Red Sox. Why he was almost as good as Boxberger was against the O's.

Edit: Boxberger makes $521,400.00. Miller makes $9,000,000.00. For those without a calculator, Boxberger makes a little less than 6% of Miller's salary.

So what is the takeaway?

A. Value exists in major league baseball for those who are willing to expend the effort to find it.

B. Peter Angelos is a selfish profiteer who cares nothing about the Orioles fan base, otherwise cost would be no object in such a clear-cut case of obviousness.

Yes this is a litmus test. So are you pink or blue?

Boxberger is right handed. So therefore a better closer.

[weams]

I would like someone arguing against signing Markakis, Cruz, Miller, Kemp, etc. to tell me when IS a good time to spend money?

Never? Or Always. Or the Orioles are (and have been) spending in line with what their base can support?

[Can_of_corn]

Miller has been unhittable for about a year and a half. History is replete with guys that have had wonderful months, both as replacement players and bullpen guys. History is not replete with guys that have been unhittable for over a year. There always seems to be an excuse for this team NOT to spend money. Relief pitchers are fickle and injury prone. Guys are getting old and not worth the investment. I would like someone arguing against signing Markakis, Cruz, Miller, Kemp, etc. to tell me when IS a good time to spend money?

A year and half ago (243 games) Miller was on the DL, he missed the whole second half of the 2013 season. I guess you are right...can't get a hit off a guy on the DL.

Up until last season Miller's career was full of question marks. Maybe the contract turns out great for the Yankees, the first month has. But to think signing him to that kind of contract with his past history is a no brainer isn't even close to being accurate.

[weams]

Miller was absolutely filthy tonight shutting down the Red Sox. Why he was almost as good as Boxberger was against the O's.

Edit: Boxberger makes $521,400.00. Miller makes $9,000,000.00. For those without a calculator, Boxberger makes a little less than 6% of Miller's salary.

So what is the takeaway?

A. Value exists in major league baseball for those who are willing to expend the effort to find it.

B. Peter Angelos is a selfish profiteer who cares nothing about the Orioles fan base, otherwise cost would be no object in such a clear-cut case of obviousness.

Yes this is a litmus test. So are you pink or blue?

Did you forget the part where Baltimore has to have a lead in the ninth, they need to tell Zach Britton he is not a lefty specialist, and your last two guys in the pen are lefties that are better against lefties which are maybe 22 percent of the batters they face?

[Can_of_corn]

Did you forget the part where Baltimore has to have a lead in the ninth, they need to tell Zach Britton he is not a lefty specialist, and your last two guys in the pen are lefties that are better against lefties which are maybe 22 percent of the batters they face?

Miller was actually better against RHB last season.

Since they both transitioned to the bullpen they have shown an ability to get out both left and right handed batters.

[weams]

Miller was actually better against RHB last season.

Since they both transitioned to the bullpen they have shown an ability to get out both left and right handed batters.

And yet the natural effect is that the would be better against the lefties. Unless they are far superior hitters. I'd take Miller or Britton against a lefty 10 times out of 10.

[Crazysilver03]

A year and half ago (243 games) Miller was on the DL, he missed the whole second half of the 2013 season. I guess you are right...can't get a hit off a guy on the DL.

Up until last season Miller's career was full of question marks. Maybe the contract turns out great for the Yankees, the first month has. But to think signing him to that kind of contract with his past history is a no brainer isn't even close to being accurate.

This. A lot of this. Miller was a question mark until 2014.

[DrungoHazewood]

Miller has been unhittable for about a year and a half. History is replete with guys that have had wonderful months, both as replacement players and bullpen guys. History is not replete with guys that have been unhittable for over a year. There always seems to be an excuse for this team NOT to spend money. Relief pitchers are fickle and injury prone. Guys are getting old and not worth the investment. I would like someone arguing against signing Markakis, Cruz, Miller, Kemp, etc. to tell me when IS a good time to spend money?

Almost no one is every unhittable for a year then is totally not worth a long term deal. Never. Ever, really.

It's not like Jose Mesa had 46 saves and an otherworldly 1.13 ERA in 1995, then followed it up with five years of a 4+ ERA. That never happened.

Tim Burke never went 7-0 with a 1.19 in 91 innings in '87, following that up with a replacement level season in '88.

BJ Ryan certainly didn't have a 1.37 one year and a 12.46 the next.

Armando Benitez may have had a 1.29 ERA with 47 saves in 2004, but no way did he have a 4.61 the rest of his career.

The Orioles stupidity goes back to '97-'98 when Randy Myers had a team record in saves and a 1.51 ERA, because he certainly didn't have a 4.92 ERA in '98 then retire.

Jim Kern might have pitched to a 1.57 in '79 in 143 innings with a ton of Ks, but it's a total lie that he had an almost 5.00 ERA in '80.

And there's no way Tug McGraw had 1+ ERA jumps following big years three separate times.

Bryan Harvey in no way had a 1.60 ERA followed up by an injury-shortened season, then a 1.70 followed up by, basically, retirement.

Ken Tatum never had a 1.36 ERA as a rookie for the Angels, followed up by run-and-a-half jumps each of the next two seasons.

None of that ever happened, you're right.