Wei-Yin Chen to the Marlins (5 yrs - $80M)

[winkies]

Chen was a good pitcher for the

O's and his wins will be missed.

Just like you can't replace 50 HR.

Completely agree. At the end of the day the only man who has control over the Free Agents is the Billionaire owner writing the checks. All we can do is wish we were the billionaires who owned the team.

[BohKnowsBmore]

Yeah, but this isn't a bad opt-out for the team. He is making below market rates for the pre opt-out years, so the only way he exercises it is if he becomes one of the top pitchers in the league and the Marlins still got a great deal of 2/$20M for what would have to be two great years. I can't see him doing better than 3/$60M 2 years from now unless he starts accruing some Cy Young votes.

The opt-out that people complain about is when players are making fair market value and then opt out. Every team in the Majors would be in on Chen for 2/$20M. Not necessarily so for a player making 8/$160M with an opt out after 4 years and 4/$80M remaining.

But the risk is still all with the team. If he's hot garbage from day one of the deal, they can't opt out. In no way is the opt out a positive for the team. Maybe just less bad, in a vacuum.

[Spy Fox]

Chen will do well in the weak hitting NL East and in the large confines of Marlins Park.

[Ohfan67]

But the risk is still all with the team. If he's hot garbage from day one of the deal, they can't opt out. In no way is the opt out a positive for the team. Maybe just less bad, in a vacuum.

It allows a team to get maximum WAR for the $ and then basically switch the aging-declining years of a contract to another team. I think that could be a big win for a team, especially a risk adverse team like the O's. If the free agent has a great first couple of years, then they are basically transferring the latter years of a deal when there's a higher risk of decline to someone else.

[Crazysilver03]

Completely agree. At the end of the day the only man who has control over the Free Agents is the Billionaire owner writing the checks. All we can do is wish we were the billionaires who owned the team.

Or maybe you should stop calling him a billionaire since he isn't one anymore.

[NATTYBO's]

The same as if it wasn't protected.

Folks this is what year three of the current agreement?

You don't get the other team's pick.

They lose their pick and the O's get a sandwich pick based on team record.

I knew we didn't get their pick but didn't know if we got a different round pick....

Looks like C hen will be playing with a new team in 2 years.

[ChuckS]

Exactly what I predicted he would sign for. People suggesting 5/100 were out of their minds. I think he will do well in Miami

[Can_of_corn]

I knew we didn't get their pick but didn't know if we got a different round pick....

Looks like C hen will be playing with a new team in 2 years.

It's much simpler now.

No more Toronto getting a third round pick for losing Burnett because the Yanks also signed Sabathia and Texiera.

[Can_of_corn]

Exactly what I predicted he would sign for. People suggesting 5/100 were out of their minds. I think he will do well in Miami

I think he will do well in Miami then poorly to whatever team Miami trades him to.

[NATTYBO's]

It's much simpler now.

No more Toronto getting a third round pick for losing Burnett because the Yanks also signed Sabathia and Texiera.

I agree it is a much better system

[BohKnowsBmore]

It allows a team to get maximum WAR for the $ and then basically switch the aging-declining years of a contract to another team. I think that could be a big win for a team, especially a risk adverse team like the O's. If the free agent has a great first couple of years, then they are basically transferring the latter years of a deal when there's a higher risk of decline to someone else.

The thing is, the opt out does not allow the team to do anything. It allows the player to do something. It's purely a player benefit.

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[Just Regular]

Doing the Marlins.

In Dave Cameron's quick writeup, he says structure of 5/80 is 10/10/20/20/20. So reduced opt-out value to Chen, who would be walking away from 3/60 if he uses it.

[Aristotelian]

The thing is, the opt out does not allow the team to do anything. It allows the player to do something. It's purely a player benefit.

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Exactly. The only way it works for the team is if it is a mutual opt-out.

[DrungoHazewood]

Doing the Marlins.

In Dave Cameron's quick writeup, he says structure of 5/80 is 10/10/20/20/20. So reduced opt-out value to Chen, who would be walking away from 3/60 if he uses it.

The only way he's opting out is some combination of him pitching better than ever and Loria being Loria.

[24fps]

We can't keep any of our good players. Angelos need to leave the team.

Unlikely. He has a permanent opt-in.