PED Suspensions Coming

[Moose Milligan]

1 minute ago, weams said:

Marte was not using a designer drug. He was using the mass building stuff. As have many of the Dominicans. So as are many of the MLB players I have seen respond to his use, I am a bit angry that he was able to parley his chemical romance into the esteem and money and position that he did.

As you know, I loved Cruz, and he's a PED user. So it's not like I think all players that use stink all together.

I think the guys who use the stuff that masques well or easily probably have better skills than the Jay Gibbons of the world. And you know, for every one of the 800 jobs that the Horse Hormone Users take up, a kid that is close misses out. 

Well, I agree with the sentiment (and pulling on the heartstrings, you bastard) of the last paragraph.  But IMO, you still gotta hit the ball.  

I'm not sure if there's much of a difference between the designer drugs and the mass building stuff.  From what I know the goal of the PEDs is to recover from workouts faster to build more muscle quicker than you naturally could.  Designer drug or mass building, IMO, it's splitting hairs.  These guys aren't taking them for any other reasons, right?

Again, I'm not sure when Marte started using.  Has it been reported?

[weams]

2 minutes ago, Moose Milligan said:

Well, I agree with the sentiment (and pulling on the heartstrings, you bastard) of the last paragraph.  But IMO, you still gotta hit the ball.  

I'm not sure if there's much of a difference between the designer drugs and the mass building stuff.  From what I know the goal of the PEDs is to recover from workouts faster to build more muscle quicker than you naturally could.  Designer drug or mass building, IMO, it's splitting hairs.  These guys aren't taking them for any other reasons, right?

Again, I'm not sure when Marte started using.  Has it been reported?

I assume that someone who will use that stuff has been using since he was 14. 

[Moose Milligan]

20 minutes ago, weams said:

I assume that someone who will use that stuff has been using since he was 14. 

Well then.  Who's driving him to the dealer, his mom?

[weams]

10 minutes ago, Moose Milligan said:

Well then.  Who's driving him to the dealer, his mom?

Don't they live with their Dealer there? That's what Andy always said. 

[Camden_yardbird]

17 hours ago, Moose Milligan said:

Are you more upset about the fact that you thought Marte was a good dude and now he's a known cheater?  Or are you more upset that your 2nd favorite team is without a really good player for 80 games? 

Of course it's both.  The latter is a team perspective and former is a player perspective.

 

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Gregory Polanco is Feeling the Impact of Starling Marte's Suspension

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[CheeryO]

On 4/18/2017 at 8:38 PM, crawjo said:

What on earth would have prevented them from doing it? 

1) The fact that they were so talented that they probably wouldnt't need them to beat the competition, 2) The immediate and short-term side-effects, 3) The long-term side-effects

[Can_of_corn]

7 minutes ago, CheeryO said:

1) The fact that they were so talented that they probably wouldnt't need them to beat the competition, 2) The immediate and short-term side-effects, 3) The long-term side-effects

Because Ruth and Bonds weren't talented.

Lance Armstrong was a hack.

[El Gordo]

Still waiting for those long term side effects for Bonds, McGwire, Sosa and Clemens.

[CheeryO]

13 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

Because Ruth and Bonds weren't talented.

Lance Armstrong was a hack.

You're such a troll.  Where did I imply that any of these guys weren't talented?

That said, even if was amazingly talented, how was Lance Armstrong not a hack?  He's the poster child for a career made by doping.

What is the source that Babe Ruth doped?  And even if he did, how effective could they have been back in his day relative to any other kitchen sink concoction any other player used?

Barry Bonds is the guy that really rides the line.  Would he have been at the league of Mantle, Aaron, Mays and Pujols had he not cheated?  I doubt it, but maybe.  ARod is another case.  He's so insecure that even if he had twice the talent of Ruth he still would have maybe doped.

Edited April 22, 2017 by CheeryO

[CheeryO]

5 minutes ago, El Gordo said:

Still waiting for those long term side effects for Bonds, McGwire, Sosa and Clemens.

True, or maybe they're already living with them.

[El Gordo]

Just now, CheeryO said:

True, or maybe they're already living with them.

Any evidence of that? If there were I think we'd hear about it.

[Can_of_corn]

4 minutes ago, CheeryO said:

You're such a troll.  Where did I imply that any of these guys weren't talented?

That said, even if was amazingly talented, how was Lance Armstrong not a hack?  He's the poster child for a career made by doping.

What is the source that Babe Ruth doped?  And even if he did, how effective could they have been back in his day relative to any other kitchen sink concoction any other player used?

Barry Bonds is the guy that really rides the line.  Would he have been at the league of Mantle, Aaron, Mays and Pujols had he not cheated?  I doubt it, but maybe.  ARod is another case.  He's so insecure that even if he had twice the talent of Ruth he still would have maybe doped.

What possible difference does it make how effective it would have been?  Either the intent is there to cheat or it isn't.

Ruth tried to cheat.  It didn't work and he fell ill but it doesn't take away from his intent to cheat.

[Can_of_corn]

8 minutes ago, CheeryO said:

You're such a troll.  Where did I imply that any of these guys weren't talented?

That said, even if was amazingly talented, how was Lance Armstrong not a hack?  He's the poster child for a career made by doping.

What is the source that Babe Ruth doped?  And even if he did, how effective could they have been back in his day relative to any other kitchen sink concoction any other player used?

Barry Bonds is the guy that really rides the line.  Would he have been at the league of Mantle, Aaron, Mays and Pujols had he not cheated?  I doubt it, but maybe.  ARod is another case.  He's so insecure that even if he had twice the talent of Ruth he still would have maybe doped.

Sorry forgot the other bit.

This is how it works, if you state as a premise that athletes A, B and C were so talented that they didn't need to cheat and I respond with athletes X, Y, and Z were every bit as talented and yet they cheated that is calling into question the validity of your premise.  Since their doesn't seem to be any evidence that athletes that reach a certain performance threshold are less likely to use PEDs.

[25 Nuggets]

6 minutes ago, El Gordo said:

Any evidence of that? If there were I think we'd hear about it.

Perhaps... perhaps not.  It's funny sometimes what gets leaked to the media.