TT: The Orioles are a mediocre team

[Frobby]

I think it is hard to get your mind around the idea that a team with below average starting pitching can be a very good team, especially when the offense is good but not great. And I think it will take all 162 games to see if that model works and convince people.

Considering that such a team just won the world series last year with that model you would think people wouldn't be quite AS surprised.

Short memories. Also, when this thread was started, our rotation was at its nadir, with a 4.99 ERA. KC's rotation last year was at 4.34. The O's are now at 4.71. The league average rotation ERA this year is 4.45, compared to 4.14 last year. I don't think folks have picked up on the fact that the starting pitching has been pretty poor all around the league, so having a rotation that is performing poorly is not as bad a disadvantage as it seems it should be.

[Machado13]

Probably just the Oriole Hall of Fame.

Still an honor though.

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I was going to say Orioles hall of fame but decided to be sensationalist

[O's84]

Maybe Roy hacked into Tony's account or something. How else to explain this? ..... I know, I know, still a lot of time left in the season and things could change but I just couldn't resist.

[El Gordo]

If we win the next two games we're doomed.

[Redskins Rick]

So, if this team wins the WS trophy.

Can we then stop calling this team, mediocre?

[weams]

Maybe we aleady a swoon of the caliber we can expect to see a couple of times hopefully at most? Lost 7 of the last 9 in May. If that's the swoon, I'll take it

If the Orioles win two more in a row, they will have to forfeit 21 games won in some folks evaluation.

[weams]

So, if this team wins the WS trophy.

Can we then stop calling this team, mediocre?

No, it will be the 2016 Baltimore Mediocre Orioles, World Champions.

[Redskins Rick]

No, it will be the 2016 Baltimore Mediocre Orioles, World Champions.

Maybe they knock off the 1983 team, off the pedestal, of the worse Oriole team to win a WS?

[Hallas]

Chris Tillman (2.5 WAR) and Kevin Gausman (1.1 WAR) have a lot to do with the Orioles' score. Tillman is actually 5th in the AL behind Salazar, Sale, Tanaka and Estrada.

In other news, there are a lot of struggling starting pitchers out there.

Wait, what? Tillman is pitching at a borderline cy young level?

[Frobby]

Wait, what? Tillman is pitching at a borderline cy young level?

2nd in wins, 10th in ERA, 10th in strikeouts.

[Hallas]

2nd in wins, 10th in ERA, 10th in strikeouts.

Fangraphs has him at 1.3 WAR, vs BB-Ref which has him at 2.5.

The 2.5 doesn't pass the sniff test. Though I guess if he ends the season 20-3, he'll get some Cy Young votes.

I guess he's been better than I would have thought. That bump in K-rate is really nice. And his BABIP is in line with his career numbers (albeit really low.) He probably has a little bit of BABIP suppression in him. (or he benefits more than average from the Orioles defense.)

[BohKnowsBmore]

Now we've gone and done it...

Another 7-game winning streak. If you subtract our three streaks of 7 games, we're a sub-.500 team...

[weams]

Now we've gone and done it...

Another 7-game winning streak. If you subtract our three streaks of 7 games, we're a sub-.500 team...

Only by four games. Mostly like the Yankees.

[BohKnowsBmore]

Only by four games. Mostly like the Yankees.

Mediocre is mediocre. Stop being an apologist.

[JimDH]

Take out the first 7 games and the last 7 games... Take out those aberrations and we need a 7 game streak just to be around .500.