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1 minute ago, tntoriole said:

I agree that the current candidates had bad starts in their first games at Norfolk.  However, that does not make me a "give Ubaldo a longer leash" fan.   Let's reexamine this thread if Ubaldo goes through a similar April and May to what he had last year with 7 straight starts of not getting out of the 4th inning and an ERA of 10.    Being able to pitch in the past in the big leagues only takes you so far as Jeremy Guthrie found out yesterday.  

First, I don't want anyone to think that I'm a big Ubaldo fan.    But just like you can't write off Wright, Ynoa or Lee based on one bad AAA start, you can't write off Ubaldo based on one bad major league start.    And it's not like Wright or Ynoa have been impressive in their past major league stints, and Lee hasn't even pitched in AAA yet and only had a few starts in AA last year.    Finally, don't forget that we have to fill Tillman's slot before we even begin to worry about whether to replace Ubaldo in the rotation.    

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2 hours ago, Frobby said:

First, I don't want anyone to think that I'm a big Ubaldo fan.    But just like you can't write off Wright, Ynoa or Lee based on one bad AAA start, you can't write off Ubaldo based on one bad major league start.    And it's not like Wright or Ynoa have been impressive in their past major league stints, and Lee hasn't even pitched in AAA yet and only had a few starts in AA last year.    Finally, don't forget that we have to fill Tillman's slot before we even begin to worry about whether to replace Ubaldo in the rotation.    

I am certainly not writing off Ubaldo after ONE bad start.  I am just saying does he get 7 horrific starts in a row like he had last year through June?  I doubt it.  I think Ubaldo does not have the protection of being owed two years of 13 million as was the case last spring, so I think him being DFAd or traded along with the compensation pick is a lot stronger possibility if he pitches as horrifically as he did last spring.    And who knows?  If they have to, maybe they go get Fister or Colby Lewis.  I hope not.  Best case is Ubaldo pitches mediocre but not horrifically.  Second best case is if Ubaldo is pitching horrifically, that somebody in the system steps up enough.  

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Just now, Can_of_corn said:

I think an up to speed Jackson is still a bullpen piece at this point.

Probably.  Although there a lot of moving parts.   How fast does Tillman return?  How bad does Ubaldo pitch in April and May?  Are there any other injuries (God forbid), etc. 

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On April 9, 2017 at 9:31 AM, tntoriole said:

I agree that the current candidates had bad starts in their first games at Norfolk.  However, that does not make me a "give Ubaldo a longer leash" fan.   Let's reexamine this thread if Ubaldo goes through a similar April and May to what he had last year with 7 straight starts of not getting out of the 4th inning and an ERA of 10.    Being able to pitch in the past in the big leagues only takes you so far as Jeremy Guthrie found out yesterday.  

And what if Ubaldo gives us 7 consecutive starts like the ones that finished out the end of last season?:

6 IP/1 ER

6.67 IP/3 ER

9 IP/3 ER

7 IP/2 ER

7 IP/4 ER

5.33 IP/0 ER

6.67 IP/0 ER

 

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50 minutes ago, LA2 said:

And what if Ubaldo gives us 7 consecutive starts like the ones that finished out the end of last season?:

6 IP/1 ER

6.67 IP/3 ER

9 IP/3 ER

7 IP/2 ER

7 IP/4 ER

5.33 IP/0 ER

6.67 IP/0 ER

 

Then obviously no change needs to be made.  But the point I was trying to make is that leaving Ubaldo that long in the rotation when he was horrific probably cost us the AL East, or at least not having us the playoff at home. 

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46 minutes ago, tntoriole said:

Then obviously no change needs to be made.  But the point I was trying to make is that leaving Ubaldo that long in the rotation when he was horrific probably cost us the AL East, or at least not having us the playoff at home. 

But the way he pitched the last month and half of the season was one of the main reasons we did, in fact, get into the playoffs. We hit well in Toronto.

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2 hours ago, LA2 said:

And what if Ubaldo gives us 7 consecutive starts like the ones that finished out the end of last season?:

6 IP/1 ER

6.67 IP/3 ER

9 IP/3 ER

7 IP/2 ER

7 IP/4 ER

5.33 IP/0 ER

6.67 IP/0 ER

 

Does it really matter how well he pitched into the final stretch when he carried a 7.00 ERA INTO AUGUST? I'm not willing to boot Ubaldo after two bad starts, but if we get into May and he's below replacement level??? Time to cut the chord. It's important to remember that over the last six years Ubaldo has basically ranged from barely passable to truly terrible. Anybody thinking he has upside is delusional. The Ubaldo we paid for was gone long before he arrived in Baltimore. 

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Better outing for Lee today: 5 IP, 5 H, 1 R, 3 BB, 5 K's.     All of his outs other than the K's were on the ground, including two DP's.    He won't be starting in Toronto, but I'm glad he made progress.   

He also only threw 77 pitches in 5 innings, 46 for strikes.   

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