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Miller is in the second year of his deal and it looks like his knee may be shot.  So I don't know if it's worth pointing towards that being a deal not made.

For me the real failure is the decision in the first place to make the biggest contracts on the team 30 something free agents.  The biggest contracts on the team should be the extensions for young talent.  (See Pittsburgh pirates).  Now ironically, the two teams have similar records but I see that as a failing of the pirates unwillingness to trade for a stud to make a real push.  The teams that do both usually end up winning.

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12 hours ago, birdman333 said:

Tonight's game serves as another reminder of how Duquette wouldn't give Nelson Cruz a 4th year but had no problems giving Chris Davis and Darren O'Day extra year/s on their deals to prevent them from leaving.

Wrong decision on all 3 by Duquette...

CD extension is not on DD. Buck wanted and ownership made it happen. He even outbid himself. Go back two years and checkup on some info about CD extension. I believe DD signed Trumbo for 1st. Maybe he thought that CD was gone. 

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10 hours ago, Norfolk orioles said:

If I was Dan Duquette I would resign before I let the owner of the team dictate contacts to me.

 

At that point you are nothing more than a figurehead and you are letting an owner determine your current legacy and your potential future employment.

Given all of Duquette's other horrible signings, failures to re-sign  (O'day but not Miller, Trumbo but not Cruz?), trades (too many to list), total depletion of our farm system and complete inability to extend any of our young players, he's done absolutely NOTHING to deserve to keep his job.

Not even sure how this is up for debate. Buck can go with him at this point because our rotation is a total joke and at some point that has to fall on him for not being able to develop anyone better than these clowns in nearly a decade.

I have to wonder what happened to the O's pitching. Sometime I guess in the mid-nineties it went to hell in a hand basket.  Long before DD and Buck.  Wish I knew what happened. 

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11 hours ago, Tx Oriole said:

I have to wonder what happened to the O's pitching. Sometime I guess in the mid-nineties it went to hell in a hand basket.  Long before DD and Buck.  Wish I knew what happened. 

Perhaps but he and his development staff have done absolutely nothing to improve our situation and have added little to no value to our young talented pitching prospects.

 

He has to own that........and Dan has to go.

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13 hours ago, Camden_yardbird said:

Miller is in the second year of his deal and it looks like his knee may be shot.  So I don't know if it's worth pointing towards that being a deal not made.

For me the real failure is the decision in the first place to make the biggest contracts on the team 30 something free agents.  The biggest contracts on the team should be the extensions for young talent.  (See Pittsburgh pirates).  Now ironically, the two teams have similar records but I see that as a failing of the pirates unwillingness to trade for a stud to make a real push.  The teams that do both usually end up winning.

Third year for Miller.

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On 8/22/2017 at 6:45 PM, tntoriole said:

 

Obviously, none of this really means much as it relates to whether or not he has a  "brilliant legal mind".  It could just be all smoke and mirrors and politics, business back scratching and PR.   And it really is beside the point here anyway which is concerned only with his baseball acumen and stewardship of our most precious resource, the Os.  And he certainly is not very skilled at that, imho.  

Coming from a very large and successful law firm, as does spiritof66, I can tell you that many highly successful lawyers don't have brilliant legal minds, and that many brilliant lawyers don't end up being that successful.    It has a lot to do with drive, perseverance, the ability to inspire confidence in clients, personality and other factors besides raw brain power.    Of course there are plenty of highly successful lawyers who have brilliant legal minds, but it's not a prerequisite, nor is it sufficient in order to succeed.    

His ownership of the Orioles certainly hasn't been brilliant, but it certainly has been a financial success for him personally.    

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7 minutes ago, Frobby said:

Coming from a very large and successful law firm, as does spiritof66, I can tell you that many highly successful lawyers don't have brilliant legal minds, and that many brilliant lawyers don't end up being that successful.    It has a lot to do with drive, perseverance, the ability to inspire confidence in clients, personality and other factors besides raw brain power.    Of course there are plenty of highly successful lawyers who have brilliant legal minds, but it's not a prerequisite, nor is it sufficient in order to succeed.    

His ownership of the Orioles certainly hasn't been brilliant, but it certainly has been a financial success for him personally.    

As a physician, I would agree that it is the same in my field as well. 

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