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I think Judge has ROY in the bag unless he gets sat most of September.  What I find amazing is an article I saw that talked about Benintendi of Boston would be the clear winner if not for Judge.  He's behind Mancini in about everything except a few points of OBP.

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5 minutes ago, Pheasants said:

I think Judge has ROY in the bag unless he gets sat most of September.  What I find amazing is an article I saw that talked about Benintendi of Boston would be the clear winner if not for Judge.  He's behind Mancini in about everything except a few points of OBP.

Benintendi had all the preseason hype.   I agree Mancini has had the better year so far.    Still, there's a month to play so no point in debating it now.    

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10 minutes ago, Pheasants said:

I think Judge has ROY in the bag unless he gets sat most of September.  What I find amazing is an article I saw that talked about Benintendi of Boston would be the clear winner if not for Judge.  He's behind Mancini in about everything except a few points of OBP.

Depends on how much weight you give to defense and which metrics you want to put any weight into. Fangraphs says Mancini is a terrible defender. It's how you turn a 129 wRC+ into only a 1.6 WAR. Benintendi is at 2.0 because he's only been slightly below average defensively, and not in the terrible range Mancini is.

BR has Mancini about average and Benintendi above average, which makes Mancini the better value there 2.5 to 2.2.

I think defensively they are somewhere in between there with Benintendi being average to slightly above and Mancini being below average but not Delmon Youngesque. However, they have had similarly valuable seasons.

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4 minutes ago, Babypowder said:

Depends on how much weight you give to defense and which metrics you want to put any weight into. Fangraphs says Mancini is a terrible defender. It's how you turn a 129 wRC+ into only a 1.6 WAR. Benintendi is at 2.0 because he's only been slightly below average defensively, and not in the terrible range Mancini is.

BR has Mancini about average and Benintendi above average, which makes Mancini the better value there 2.5 to 2.2.

I think defensively they are somewhere in between there with Benintendi being average to slightly above and Mancini being below average but not Delmon Youngesque. However, they have had similarly valuable seasons.

I hadn't bothered to look yet.

Bit surprised, the eye test has been telling me he is only below average out there.

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3 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

I hadn't bothered to look yet.

Bit surprised, the eye test has been telling me he is only below average out there.

Agreed. I don't think he's terrible, but he certainly isn't good.

We shall see what a stronger sample brings, I'll always trust numbers (in adequate sample sizes) over my own bias and generally poor instincts.

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9 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

I hadn't bothered to look yet.

Bit surprised, the eye test has been telling me he is only below average out there.

Every time there's a somewhat difficult play for him to make when I've watched, he's made it, and last night he made a very nice sliding catch.  His range will never be among the best, but he's been a pleasant surprise.    

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10 hours ago, Roy Firestone said:

Judge will still squeak in with ROY and MVP Im pretty sure. East coast media loves the kid even for his failings.

Schoop is rightly a dark horse because other players frankly get more media coverage, are more veteran names like Nelson Cruz, for instance.Judge plays in the media capital of the world and MLB loves to support and promote American players with multi cultural backgrounds. Judge is their man.

He could also get hot again.

Mancini is a fabulous young player who will get better..he reminds me of a young Curt Blefary in 1965 (ROY0 but he seems more disciplined and a better all around athlete with a ton of smarts..He could end up being a mainstay player in the AL for years to come if he stays healthy..But he is not the ROY this year.Aaron Judge will be,

Agree with you on ROY, but not so much on MVP. Judge's second half struggles have closed the gap. I think Altuve, Cruz, and Springer are all better candidates. If Trout didn't miss time he'd be my front runner, but I'm going with Altuve. 

Schoop is having a fine year, but it's no an MVP year. And Mancini will probably finish in the top 3 in ROY voting. Behind Judge and Benintendi. 

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27 minutes ago, Babypowder said:

Depends on how much weight you give to defense and which metrics you want to put any weight into. Fangraphs says Mancini is a terrible defender. It's how you turn a 129 wRC+ into only a 1.6 WAR. Benintendi is at 2.0 because he's only been slightly below average defensively, and not in the terrible range Mancini is.

BR has Mancini about average and Benintendi above average, which makes Mancini the better value there 2.5 to 2.2.

I think defensively they are somewhere in between there with Benintendi being average to slightly above and Mancini being below average but not Delmon Youngesque. However, they have had similarly valuable seasons.

If Benintendi is above average he must have great range, because his outfield arm is one of the worst I've seen in awhile.  It's like the equivalent of watching a 40-year old Peyton Manning throw wounded ducks, just with half the accuracy.

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10 hours ago, Roy Firestone said:

Judge will still squeak in with ROY and MVP Im pretty sure. East coast media loves the kid even for his failings.

Schoop is rightly a dark horse because other players frankly get more media coverage, are more veteran names like Nelson Cruz, for instance.Judge plays in the media capital of the world and MLB loves to support and promote American players with multi cultural backgrounds. Judge is their man.

He could also get hot again.

Mancini is a fabulous young player who will get better..he reminds me of a young Curt Blefary in 1965 (ROY0 but he seems more disciplined and a better all around athlete with a ton of smarts..He could end up being a mainstay player in the AL for years to come if he stays healthy..But he is not the ROY this year.Aaron Judge will be,

I don't care if Judge wins ROY. The O's Schoop, Mancini and Manny. That means more to me than an Oriole player winning an award. 

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