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12 hours ago, ExileAngelos said:

OMG I get so tired of this crap. He was dominate and he finished the damn game like he should have.  My God I don't know what's worse the PC police or the pitch count police.  

I agree with you. My goodness why can't these people be happy? Geez

 

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5 hours ago, joelala said:

Dude, absolutely.  As crazy as it sounds, I care about these guys like my family lol. 

When something happens, like when ST was killed, it feels to many like you've lost someone you knew. You invite these people into your home and you look forward to the feeling of their arrival every day of the year. It's a personal relationship, few friends or family members spend more time on a fans mind and in their emotions than the members of their favorite team. People cry when shows end because the finality of losing any relationships that evoke joy is hard for the brain to accept. I remember being sad the last episode of the fresh prince, lol I hated not being able to look forward to that show. There's something much more intimate about someone representing the place you grew up, the team you first enjoyed watching, perhaps the team your mother or father enjoyed watching with you. In many cases it's the one time certain people bond or the lone escape from other stresses, it's an intimate part of a fans life. If the team moved I can't imagine how difficult it would be, I'm grateful for the opportunity to see the good & the bad - just don't take my O's out of Baltimore. If I find out a news anchor or athlete is from Maryland or DC I'll instantly like them 1,000 times more than I had previously. It's deep in the blood.

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3 hours ago, Roy Firestone said:

This is exactly how I feel going forward.I am criticized as being negative and I have been when the tam has played negatively, but lately they are putting it together.Yes,we've had some good fortune to miss pitchers like Sale, Price, King Felix and Paxton even Iwakuma, In Oakland we missed Sonny Gray...weve missed lineups without Pedroia and Jackie Bradley Jr....but it doesn't matter..you still have to win games.And the Orioles are winning. Im not sure if they are still a post season team in any capacity,but I do believe this. With Hays, Mullins, Mountastle, Scott, Harvey, and a lot more, this organization has some talent and youth coming. If the Orioles are wise this offseason, maybe they add a Lane Lynn or Alex Cobb to this rotation...maybe both.If they can settle their rotation down and stay healthy, and maybe sign Manny in the offseason this franchise could be very solid for a long time...

The O's have been absolutely dominant in this stretch, they've been obliterating the opposition. 

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16 hours ago, OriolesMagic83 said:

I was only able to see from the 6th inning on.  He had great stuff, but has learned that pitch selection and location is just as important as stuff.  I can't count the number of times he threw a pitch in the mid 80's (change up?) in what most people and hitters would think was a fastball count.  The high, rising fastball was a thing of beauty.  He mostly seemed to be throwing about 91, 92, but his location was pinpoint.  I assume he was reaching higher speed earlier in game. 

I would have to say it was the best game by an O's pitcher since Bedard's 15k game.  It seems like the light is on for Bundy as far as how to approach each hitter and managing his own game.  The time to extend him is now!

 

I'll post each inning here later today or tomorrow. 

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I don't know which thread to ramble about this in so I'll leave it here.

Grading the potential we have on the roster & the minors I'd look at it, very optimistically, like this..

Position grades for present & future A-F based on where we are at the position as an organization.

Player grades 1-10 on who they have the potential to become. A 5 being a slightly below average mlb player, 4 being a reliable bench guy, 3 being guy who could provide a spark here and there, 2 being useless, 1 being a detriment to humanity. On the upper end, 6 potential to be an average mlb starter, 7 - potential to be better than average, 8 - potential top 10 at your position, 9 - potential top 5 at your position, 9.5 - a likely AS, 10 HOF potential.  I'll list the year I believe we could see that potential start to become apparent. 

Catcher (A) : Sisco (9 - 2019), Wynns (6 2018), Castillo (7), Joseph (7).

1B (C) : Davis (6) Mancini (8)

2B (A) : Schoop (9.5)

3B (A) : Machado (10) Reyes (8 - 2020)

SS (B) : Beckham (8.5) Hall (9 - 2022)

LF (B+) : Mancini (7) Santander (8.5 - 2019) Stewart (7 - 2019) Rifaela (7 - 2020)

CF (B) : Jones (7.5) Mullins (8 - 2019) Sparks (7)

RF (B+) : Trumbo (6) Hays (9 - 2018) Gassaway (6) Yaz (4) 

DH (A) : Mancini (8) Trumbo (8) Curran (8)

Without a position right now, Ryan Mountcastle could end up in LF, 3B or 2B, at any of them I give him a (9.5 - 2019).

Pitching I'll grade on potential we don't have a 3-4-5 SP signed, but we have some potential down on the farm.  A 10 for a pitcher is possible HOF, 9.5 is likely all star, 9 is all star upside, 8 is #2 upside, 7 is #3 upside, 6 is #4 upside, 5 is #5 upside, 4 is long relief at best. 

SP 1 (A) Bundy (10) Gausman (9.5) 

SP 2 (A) Bundy (10) Gausman (9.5) 

SP 3 (Inc,  Nothing ready for 2018) : Harvey (9) DL Hall (9) Sedlock (7) Bishop (7) Fenter (8) Baumann (7) Castro (8)

SP 4 (Inc) : Long (6) Akin (7) Hall (9) Bishop (7) Baumann (7) Fenter (8) Lowther (7), Wells (6), Hanifee (6) Castro (8) Sedlock (7) Hanifee (6) Means (6)

SP 5 (Inc) : Long (6) Akin (7) Bishop (7) Baumann (7) Fenter (8) Lowther (7), Wells (6), Hanifee (6) Ynoa (5) Wright (6) Wilson (4)  Castro (8) Petalta (6) Hanifee (6) Castro (8) Hess (5) Means (6)

The most intriguing arms not mentioned there are Liranzo & Scott who may be best for late inning relief work. I'm too bullish on Liranzo, I think he has (9) in him but the mechanics are a mess & guys who know much more than me, i.e., everyone here, don't think he can start. I want to change his mechanics and let him have a couple more years on the farm, his arm is special, but that's not going to happen. Scott is headed to the AFL, he's got (9) but to reach that he'd need to work for 2 years on his secondaries and that's not how players are developed right now. They both have all star upside out of the pen. If we move Castro to the rotation, those are two names that could be in line to take his place. I would invest more in my long relief specialist than I would in a set up man. Castro had proven how valuable 6 innings in a week can be when a team is not preparing to face you & isn't building their starting lineup around your weaknesses. I'd love to have Scott come in if a right handed starter is struggling v a lineup laden with LH bats. 

DJ Stewart has hit, run, & worked his way back into a potential piece of the big club moving forward. Hays & RM are both guys I believe will be all stars, particularly Mountcastle - even without a position his bat speed appears to be phenomenal. While he did struggle, as a 20 year old in AA, he wasn't getting overwhelmed, he wasn't striking out 4 times a game, he was adjusting to much more offspeed stuff & making some weaker contact while hitting into some bad luck. I think his bat will surpass Schoops. 

These are the most delusionally optimistic projections on potential but I'm a fan & I don't expect anything, I just enjoy the journey. A bit of rambling fun on a great night for our O's.

 

 

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I have several threads on my blog on Game Score.  Most of the relevant links are shown within the blog post here:

http://tangotiger.com/index.php/site/comments/path-to-game-score-2.0-part-3-of-3

The entire logic and thought process is there.

If you were to ask Bill, he'd never think that a method he developed 30 years ago was intended to never be improved upon.  I took great care in doing so.

MLB.com and Fangraphs have adopted this version.

The only dispute is the name, whether keeping Game Score was the right thing, or whether I could have chosen a different name, like Pitching Score.  Since the basis of what I did was Game Score, I thought it was more honest to keep that name.  This is like Bill always using "Runs Created" each time he improved it.  He didn't come up with a new name.

I told Bill what I was doing, and he didn't object.  He didn't necessarily give me his blessing, he simply didn't respond one way or the other.  I really doubt Bill cared that I reused the name, as long as what I did was good enough.  Bill said 30 years ago he can't do this alone.  I'm just here to fill in the gaps.

 

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On 8/31/2017 at 1:13 PM, tangotiger said:

I have several threads on my blog on Game Score.  Most of the relevant links are shown within the blog post here:

http://tangotiger.com/index.php/site/comments/path-to-game-score-2.0-part-3-of-3

The entire logic and thought process is there.

If you were to ask Bill, he'd never think that a method he developed 30 years ago was intended to never be improved upon.  I took great care in doing so.

MLB.com and Fangraphs have adopted this version.

The only dispute is the name, whether keeping Game Score was the right thing, or whether I could have chosen a different name, like Pitching Score.  Since the basis of what I did was Game Score, I thought it was more honest to keep that name.  This is like Bill always using "Runs Created" each time he improved it.  He didn't come up with a new name.

I told Bill what I was doing, and he didn't object.  He didn't necessarily give me his blessing, he simply didn't respond one way or the other.  I really doubt Bill cared that I reused the name, as long as what I did was good enough.  Bill said 30 years ago he can't do this alone.  I'm just here to fill in the gaps.

 

Thanks for checking in.   I don't really care what version is used, but I find it convenient to use BB-ref's version because their database of games is so expansive.     How far back can one go and get the "improved" Game Score?

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