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Why start Tillman and Ubaldo when you can start Wright and Ynoa?

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I am not talking about the future.  I am talking about who has the best chance for the O's to win over the next month.

Bundy and Gausman are going to start every sixth day.   Miley has pitched to a 2.60 ERA with a 3-1 record in 5 starts in August.  He is going to keep starting.  Hellickson has had 3 good starts and 3 bad ones since joining the O's. The O's probably keep running him out there.

Ubaldo has a 6.85 ERA.   He has a 7.20 ERA in the 2nd half.  His last 3 starts have been bad.  He is capable of having a good game but no one including him knows when that will happen.

Tillman has a 7.91 ERA.  His 2nd half ERA is 7.92.  He had an ERA of 9.00 in August.  His last decent start was July 22nd.   

So if the O's have a starter that can put up an ERA under 6.00 it would be an improvement.

Mike Wright has a 5.11 ERA pitching in relief of the O's in limited opportunities(12 IP).   He has a 3.69 ERA in 16 starts at AAA.  In the 2nd half at AAA he has a 2.76 ERA in 6 starts.  He has had his problems starting the majors in the past but if the bar is an ERA of 6.00 I think he has a chance to be better than that.

I have not been a big Ynoa fan.  But its hard to ignore he 2nd half numbers.  He is 5-1 with a 2.87 ERA in 9 starts at AAA.   He is supposed to pitch on Monday for the Tides but I think that is only if the pen is used up in the next two games.   I think it will be changed to a bullpen day.     

I am not even asking for Tillman and Ubaldo to be released.   Just put them in the pen and only use them in lopsided games.   

I think Wright and Ynao have a better chance of winning games for the O's than Tillman and Ubaldo do right now.   And isn't that what its all about in a pennant race?

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8 minutes ago, wildcard said:

But what will Buck do?

Well, Tillman's next start is on Sunday, and neither Ynoa nor Wright is available then, so I assume Buck will hand him the ball.    Ubaldo's next start is scheduled for Tuesday, and Ynoa would be ready by then if he's held out of the Norfolk season finale.    I hope Buck will do that, but I'm not sure he will.   

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18 minutes ago, Frobby said:

Well, Tillman's next start is on Sunday, and neither Ynoa nor Wright is available then, so I assume Buck will hand him the ball.    Ubaldo's next start is scheduled for Tuesday, and Ynoa would be ready by then if he's held out of the Norfolk season finale.    I hope Buck will do that, but I'm not sure he will.   

I think so too.   But I also think this is Tillman's last chance as a starter in 2017 if he gets blown out again.   But, of course, if he somehow pulls one semi decent effort out of the universe, then, of course, Buck will keep starting him.  

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7 minutes ago, Roy Firestone said:

I think it will be a mistake to give Tillman another start. He has shown nothing pretty much all year. Its like taking sour milk and putting it back in the refrigerator hoping it will no longer be sour. We need EVERY game from here on out. If we lose tonight tomorrows game (with Tillman) would be a very important one to remain in contention.EVEN if we win tonight, tomorrows game is crucial. Id give  shot to Wright and see if he can keep Toronto in check for 4-5 innings and have others ready..We just don't have the pitching to compete for the wild card long term...in my opinion.

Tillman's day is tomorrow.   Neither Wright nor Ynoa is available.   Nor is Castro.    The only real option would be Bleier.  

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Absolutely start anyone besided Tillman and Baldo.  Any. One.  Ynoa if for nothing else than to see what we have for next year, and Wright to either show us he can pitch in the majors or if we can just give up on him instead of him holding a roster spot in ST next spring. 

43 minutes ago, Roy Firestone said:

I think it will be a mistake to give Tillman another start. He has shown nothing pretty much all year. Its like taking sour milk and putting it back in the refrigerator hoping it will no longer be sour. We need EVERY game from here on out. If we lose tonight tomorrows game (with Tillman) would be a very important one to remain in contention.EVEN if we win tonight, tomorrows game is crucial. Id give  shot to Wright and see if he can keep Toronto in check for 4-5 innings and have others ready..We just don't have the pitching to compete for the wild card long term...in my opinion.

Right there with ya Roy.  But dang is it fun to watch these guys hit right now.  And they have heart, so I'm praying they prove me wrong.  Don't realistically see it though.

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3 minutes ago, Aristotelian said:

What about Castro, Bleier, or Aquino?

Roch is reporting the Asher is at Camden Yard now.  He and Hart are not on the Tides active roster.   But I doubt Asher is looked at as a starter.  His ERA as a starter with the O's is 6.98.  That is not enough difference to sit Tillman. His ERA has a reliever with the O's is 3.49 and that is how I think he will be used.

There are only 8 pitchers left on the Tides active roster with Wilson, Verrett, Asher and Hart all gone.

Aquino just went 4.2 IP for the Tides on Aug 31 and should not be available.

Bleier  and Castro are too valuable in the pen to put in the rotation IMO.  Bleier is not stretched out..

The relievers that are probably available tonight are Rodriguez, Bleier and O'Day.  Maybe they add Asher to that.

 

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1 hour ago, Roy Firestone said:

I think it will be a mistake to give Tillman another start. He has shown nothing pretty much all year. Its like taking sour milk and putting it back in the refrigerator hoping it will no longer be sour. We need EVERY game from here on out. If we lose tonight tomorrows game (with Tillman) would be a very important one to remain in contention.EVEN if we win tonight, tomorrows game is crucial. Id give  shot to Wright and see if he can keep Toronto in check for 4-5 innings and have others ready..We just don't have the pitching to compete for the wild card long term...in my opinion.

I think you are correct here.  I think everyone here knows it and I think Buck knows it.  Hell Chris knows it.  But I also think that the way everyone lines up and the amount of work on the pen last night that Chris gets one final start as an Oriole and if he does not flat out demand another one, he is done.  Buck is loyal, but at the end of the day...as ESPN likes to say when talking about Buck and Dusty Baker.  First one to win a WS clinches a HOF bid.

Buck is a lot of things.  Unaware of his standing in the game is not one of them. 

Of course that is just my opinion.

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Tillman and Jiminez have been given every opportunity to succeed this season, and they've blown nearly every one. It's amazing that they're still being handed the ball. I'll be at Sunday's game tomorrow, and I have to admit, seeing Tillman listed as the starter is upsetting, if not demoralizing. I'd like to believe we have a chance to win, but all I can think about is how many runs we'll be down by the time we bat, or if he can last more than 2 2/3 innings... the O's may not have many quality candidates to choose from, but I'd much rather see one of our younger prospects take the ball and see what they can do going down the stretch.

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