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  1. 1. Which outcome would you prefer?

    • Orioles continue to play sub-.333 baseball and get the no. 1 pick
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    • Orioles play .500 baseball from here and get the 6th overall pick
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Es4M11 Major Leaguer Cup of Coffee

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Just now, Redskins Rick said:

How is that?

You pray the team sucks, so they have the worse record in baseball to get the #1 pick.

But, if your FO is able to ascertain which is really the best #1 option, then its all for naught.

No it isn't. Getting the #1 pick opens the team up to the best talent pool available in the draft, not only in round 1 but every round after, too. More bonus pool money. It's far more valuable for the Orioles to get the #1 pick than it is for them to win 70 games instead of 50-55.

We are stuck with the management team that Angelos provides, so they may as well have the best draft picks available to try and do the job. Beyond selling a few more tickets and a few more Boogs BBQ sandwiches I fail to see what real long term benefits there are to be gained by the team winning a few extra games this season. Everyone bitches about the farm system, so here is a real opportunity to infuse it with some premium talent - screw winning a few extra games.

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2 minutes ago, Es4M11 said:

No it isn't. Getting the #1 pick opens the team up to the best talent pool available in the draft, not only in round 1 but every round after, too. More bonus pool money. It's far more valuable for the Orioles to get the #1 pick than it is for them to win 70 games instead of 50-55.

We are stuck with the management team that Angelos provides, so they may as well have the best draft picks available to try and do the job. Beyond selling a few more tickets and a few more Boogs BBQ sandwiches I fail to see what real long term benefits there are to be gained by the team winning a few extra games this season. Everyone bitches about the farm system, so here is a real opportunity to infuse it with some premium talent - screw winning a few extra games.

Best talent pool.

How did that work out in 2009?

The team selected Hobgood with the 5th pick and left Mike Tout on the board?

As bad as this team is, you need more than 1 solid pick to up right the ship.

 

 

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1 hour ago, Redskins Rick said:

Best talent pool.

How did that work out in 2009?

The team selected Hobgood with the 5th pick and left Mike Tout on the board?

As bad as this team is, you need more than 1 solid pick to up right the ship.

 

 

Then they selected Machado, Bundy, and Gausman in the following years. Trout was the 25th overall pick in 2009. The Hobgood pick was bad, but no one thought Mike Trout was going to become MIKE TROUT. Trout wasn't even the Angels' first pick in 2009! It's the draft...but there's still an advantage to picking early in the first round. The Hobgood pick was pre-DD by the way. 

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16 minutes ago, Ohfan67 said:

Then they selected Machado, Bundy, and Gausman in the following years. Trout was the 25th overall pick in 2009. The Hobgood pick was bad, but no one thought Mike Trout was going to become MIKE TROUT. Trout wasn't even the Angels' first pick in 2009! It's the draft...but there's still an advantage to picking early in the first round. The Hobgood pick was pre-DD by the way. 

I agree, but after DD, can we assume they will get it right?

Still the draft is always Russian roulette at some points.

Who would have thought Wilson and Cousins would have better than Luck and RG3?

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6 minutes ago, Redskins Rick said:

I agree, but after DD, can we assume they will get it right?

Still the draft is always Russian roulette at some points.

Who would have thought Wilson and Cousins would have better than Luck and RG3?

The odds of hitting WAR pay dirt are not super high, but the more picks you have early in the draft the more your odds are improved. But it's still a lottery. 

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5 hours ago, Redskins Rick said:

Best talent pool.

How did that work out in 2009?

The team selected Hobgood with the 5th pick and left Mike Tout on the board?

As bad as this team is, you need more than 1 solid pick to up right the ship.

 

 

You just want to be argumentative. That's okay, your mad, I get it.

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29 minutes ago, Es4M11 said:

You just want to be argumentative. That's okay, your mad, I get it.

Thought it was a discussion.

I think this team needs more than just the #1 pick and I have no confidence in the unknown FO to make that pick, given the behavior of ownership.

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On 6/7/2018 at 6:40 AM, El_Duderino said:

I just want there to be a plan for the future. Not this year by year thing the Os have been doing. 

That's all I want too.

Once they have a plan I can get upset about how insane, insufficient, or out of date it is ?

But actually, I don't even need a plan.  Just someone with another 5 year contract to try and do something.

Right now everyone is caught in a spider's web of stasis, and I am watching the spider slowly suck the fly to a husk.

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On 6/7/2018 at 9:40 AM, El_Duderino said:

I just want there to be a plan for the future. Not this year by year thing the Os have been doing. 

Number 1 on my wish list is, and always will be, new ownership.

Back to reality. In most circumstances, I would be squarely behind this post: the Orioles should have a plan for the future, and from all appearances they don't have one. The best way to turn a bad, old team around would be to have a strategic plan for rebuilding and executing on that plan (while revisiting it to determine whether it should tweaked or even scrapped). 

I'm not sure that having a strategic plan and following through on it is realistic for a team run by Peter Angelos. Duquette might formulate a plan, or the team might hire a successor who puts together a plan, but I question whether anyone would be able  to pull off a plan in this situation. Suppose, for example, that Duquette had a rebuilding plan that included as a key element trading Manny last year or in the off-season. Whoops.

So, sad to say, I'm not looking for a plan. I'm looking for some action that would demonstrate a commitment to the future by turning the page on some significant piece of the past: trading Manny, giving up on Davis, releasing some of the older spare parts who won't be part of a winning Oriole team, firing Buck or Duquette (or, in the latter case, keeping him on but bringing in a successor for an orderly transition), putting Brady in a narrower role. Something.

It's amazing, or would be for a team not owned by Peter Angelos, that this team sits at 19-42, MLB's worst record, as mid-June approaches, and not a damn thing has been done to reflect a commitment to building for the future.

 

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23 hours ago, Redskins Rick said:

Thought it was a discussion.

I think this team needs more than just the #1 pick and I have no confidence in the unknown FO to make that pick, given the behavior of ownership.

It is, but you're either being intentionally obtuse, or you just want to argue, because it's pretty clear which scenario is best for the long term health of the Orioles at this juncture.

Scenario A: Be the worst in baseball -- which we are -- and get the number 1 pick. *POTENTIALLY* be able to select the best players available in each round that can help the team going forward in future seasons.

Scenario B: Win 70 games and wander back towards the proverbial middle of the road. Which literally has no benefit beyond a few more meaningless "W's" in the win column THIS season. Draft from a diminished talent pool.

Pretty clear to me which has the most potential positive benefit. Your argument that we don't have the right people in place to do the job is another discussion entirely.

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As little as it probably matters because the draft is almost completely worthless outside of taking a bunch of lottery tickets and hoping they cash, you have to tank. It can't hurt and there is an outside chance it might help in.....6 years. The dumbest draft system in all of professional sports isn't going to help a team really but you "never know" so might as well have the highest picks possible. There is absolutely no benefit to finishing higher than last in a season like this. If we were actually going to move forward with what we have it might have some value, but according to most around here we should have 40 prospects on the 40 man roster by the end of the trade deadline so it isn't like it matters anyway what these guys do for us now. Just hope the individual players that are on their way out the door are good enough for them to have some value at deadline. 

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I have resisted responding because i just don't care anymore.  I go back o Triandos and Gentile and Pappas etc. I have taken sabaticals from the team because of PA but came back because Frobby on another board many years ago told me about OH. I lurked.for years before signing up and credit Tony and this place for bringing me back to the team.and sport i have alway loved. Now, this year and this team is unwatchable. If Davis is in the lineup I won't even turn it on. If the Oriole want the fans back they need to act like we matter. Davis to.the bench permanently until he is DFA.  If Buck won't do it, fire him. Bring up Stewart for LF when he is recovered. Mancini and Trumbo at 1B and DH. Get Manny traded for anything better than a.comp pick and Britton too when he is back. Move Brach for.whatever you can get along with ODay. Jones to RF,  if he balks, move.him too. Cut one of Pedro or.Valencia to make a.spot for Stewart and Wright for Britton. Roll with what's left and.the.chips fall.where they may

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