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2 hours ago, ScGO's said:

Hayes and Diaz might be enough with a few secondary pieces.  We need the infielders badly.  Adding Hearn is a lot to ask, they might have their choice between the two of Hearn and Diaz.  What is the deal with Cole Tucker? Young, but numbers aren't all that impressive.  Has so SBs.  Could be an interesting secondary piece if the O's were to go with Hayes and Hearn as the headliners.

I see it as Gausman = Hayes and some secondaries, Givens = Diaz or Hearn and some Secondaries

I think four secondaries would be appropriate.  I like the names Kramer, Ogle, Escobar, Castro, Martin, Apostel, Burdi, MacGregor, Kranick, Oliva, Agrazal, Robles, Martin, Reyes, Pie, Nunez.  This website was helpful to get an idea of their system.

http://prospects1500.com/top-50-lists/pittsburgh-pirates-2018-top-50-prospects/

Plenty of pitching in the top 30. Holmes, Waddell, McGregor, and Bolton.

 

Get Hayes, Cruz, Newman and two of the 4 names above for 5 years of KG and Givens

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27 minutes ago, jrobb21613 said:

Could Archer possibly be holding up Gausman from being dealt?

Well the Mets guys arent

 

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Mets will keep deGrom, Syndergaard through deadline b/c they don't want to rebuild--which is also part of reason why they aren't lowering price on Wheeler. They intend to contend next year, and will need to round out their rotation, and looks like Wheeler will be part of it.

 

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1 minute ago, Malike said:

Archer looks to be regressing as he gets to the latter stages of his 20's. He's cheap and controllable, and I think that is where his value is. He's not a guy who will really push the needle.

He has an era under 3.5 outside of the AL East. He definitely pushes the needle. Ace level stuff.

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1 minute ago, Thato'sfan said:

He has an era under 3.5 outside of the AL East. He definitely pushes the needle. Ace level stuff.

He has been worth .5 WAR not even 1 single win above replacement this season. 1.3 last year. You have a low bar for an Ace.

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Just now, Malike said:

He has been worth .5 WAR not even 1 single win above replacement this season. 1.3 last year. You have a low bar for an Ace.

So WAR is now a measure of a pitcher's stuff. lol. He has an elite slider and fastball combo. Has struggled in the AL east. Also, I never said he is currently an Ace, did I? His ERA is inflated by a high BABIP and he is one player whose value is not properly measured by WAR. FIP always around 3.5 and gets a ton of strikeouts. So yeah, I think he could blossom into an ace.

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10 minutes ago, Thato'sfan said:

So WAR is now a measure of a pitcher's stuff. lol. He has an elite slider and fastball combo. Has struggled in the AL east. Also, I never said he is currently an Ace, did I? His ERA is inflated by a high BABIP and he is one player whose value is not properly measured by WAR. FIP always around 3.5 and gets a ton of strikeouts. So yeah, I think he could blossom into an ace.

He has ace stuff, but I'm not sure anything points to him ever being that. Ks are great but his FIP isn't in line with aces in the MLB.

He's uber talented though.

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11 minutes ago, Thato'sfan said:

So WAR is now a measure of a pitcher's stuff. lol. He has an elite slider and fastball combo. Has struggled in the AL east. Also, I never said he is currently an Ace, did I? His ERA is inflated by a high BABIP and he is one player whose value is not properly measured by WAR. FIP always around 3.5 and gets a ton of strikeouts. So yeah, I think he could blossom into an ace.

I always feel we will beat him, even when he starts the game strong.  He gets rattled easily IMO.

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