Gausman, Brach to Pirates?

[MurphDogg]

8 minutes ago, Malike said:

Archer isn't a top 30 pitcher in the league right now. Greg Maddux was worth more at 42 years old. People can sing what they want about Archer, but to mistake him for an Ace is almost criminal.

Depends on what flavor of WAR you prefer. He was 10th in WAR per Fangraphs among starters last season and 27th in 2016. He is 41st this season, but he has only made 17 starts while most starters ahead of him have made 21 or 22.

[clapdiddy]

12 minutes ago, Malike said:

Archer isn't a top 30 pitcher in the league right now. Greg Maddux was worth more at 42 years old. People can sing what they want about Archer, but to mistake him for an Ace is almost criminal.

Archer's stuff just doesn't impress me that much.   The biggest thing he has going for him is that he's signed through 2021 fairly cheap.

[weams]

17 minutes ago, Frobby said:

He’s probably closer to an Ace than you are to Bill Gates, unless you have a lot more money than I realized. 

I'm closer to an Ace than I am to Bill Gates. 

[Yardball85]

 

[murph]

3 minutes ago, weams said:

I'm closer to an Ace than I am to Bill Gates. 

I am closer to Bill Gates than I am an Ace and I have no money.  

[NashLumber]

7 minutes ago, weams said:

I'm closer to an Ace than I am to Bill Gates. 

How long has this been going on?

 

[atomic]

56 minutes ago, Malike said:

Daniel Cabrera had ace stuff. Archer has regressed the past 3 seasons but yeah, he can throw 95 and gets some strikeouts. Again, if he's an Ace, I'm Bill Gates.

Daniel Cabrera couldn't throw strikes.   He was no ace.   

[sevastras]

I would say that Archer and Gausman are pretty close stuff wise. Archer wears his emotions on his sleeve and Gausman seems like he doesn’t care enough. I think Archer could be the better pitcher if everything went right but I think there is a better chance of Gausman figuring it out and becoming a solid number #2 guy. Like I said in another thread, give bundy Gausmans abilities and you have an ace. Bundy has the mental makeup but his physical doesn’t match. Injury’s, wear and tear. I bet Gausman and archer don’t dedicate as much time and work combined that bundy does. 

Speculation, not supported by data. 

[Satyr3206]

2 hours ago, DirtyBird said:

They aren’t trading anybody in the off-season.

Curious why you would say that. They are trying to get younger and stockpile prospects.

[Malike]

1 hour ago, atomic said:

Daniel Cabrera couldn't throw strikes.   He was no ace.   

We are talking about "stuff" and neither is Archer.

[sportsfan8703]

Well the Pirates got Kela for Hearn. 

Same years of control as Givens. Givens has had a better career. Kela has a 3.44 ERA, Givens is 4.78. Nobody wants to trade for a guy figuring it out in a pennant chase. Hopefully Givens is back to his career norms and we do better than Hearn next year. 

This doesn’t slam the door on Gausman though. If anything it kinda invests the Pirates in going for it a little. Baz+ for Gausman. 

[fearthenoodle]

Roch's blog this morning says the Pirates have been pushing for Gausman. We shall see just how hard.

[sportsfan8703]

19 minutes ago, fearthenoodle said:

Roch's blog this morning says the Pirates have been pushing for Gausman. We shall see just how hard.

Could you post a quote from it?  I can’t find it. Thanks. Rep to you

[fearthenoodle]

Here is the link- http://www.masnsports.com/school-of-roch/2018/07/thoughts-on-closer-carrolls-arrival-and-non-waiver-deadline.html

[sportsfan8703]

27 minutes ago, fearthenoodle said:

Here is the link- http://www.masnsports.com/school-of-roch/2018/07/thoughts-on-closer-carrolls-arrival-and-non-waiver-deadline.html

Thanks I didn’t see the Gausman blurb when I looked at it earlier. 

Givens is here till next deadline if we want fair value. We should hope Archer gets traded, he has to go before Gausman it looks.