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I think the O’s will give Stewart a few starts here and there just to have a look at him, but I don’t expect him to be a staple in our lineup over the final 18 games.    He didn’t do enough at Norfolk to warrrant that extensive a look right now.    He will start 2019 in the minors, I expect.   

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18 hours ago, Can_of_corn said:

Where did the slow bat come from?

I'm looking at the OH 2017 lists.  The one from April 5 2017, by you Tony, says this about Sisco

The one from Nov 12, also by you Tony:

I don't see anything about a slow bat.

If this is such an obvious deal breaker for him as a hitter how come it wasn't evident earlier?

Has he lost bat speed?  Is it something that he changed in his swing mechanics?

 

Can't get them all right.

Judging bat speed is not always a perfect art or science. I can judge it better by watching a player from a major league TV angle with velocity readings as well as by looking at things like pitch F/x numbers against and by how pitchers are pitching them.

In the minors, I'm looking for how the batter hits upper level velocity, whether a batter can get taken up the ladder often or if a batter struggles on hard stuff inside. If a guy is swinging through 91MPH fastballs in the upper protion of the zone often or the book on him is to get him out that way, he probably doesn't have good bat speed.

Visually and statistically I've seen Sisco struggle on good hard velocity to the point that he needs to "cheat on it by guessing fastball" where he then rips the ball foul. He struggles on offspeed pitches in counts where either pitch can be thrown because he's trying to cheat on the fastball which leaves him vulnerable to offspeed.

Here's the other thing, I knew scouts who didn't think Sisco had good bat speed back in Delmarva. One scout I know told me he thought Sisco was Steve Clevinger. I had other scouts tell me they thought he would hit in the majors and in my own assessment I thought so too.

That's the thing with scouting, you can send a four scouts in to see a guy and they can come out with 4 differing opinions on a guy. 

I'm just being as honest and open as I can who how I've always scouted hitters. I will say this, I've missed on over evaluating hitters before (Sisco, Jimenez, Jomar Reyes, Dariel Alvarez, Walker come to mind), but I've rarely under evaluated a guy in the end (by the time they get to the majors). Hopefully Sisco will make some kind of adjustment or perhaps just get better at guessing, but I see a guy who's best offensive attribute at the major league level is walking and getting hit by pitches.

 

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2 minutes ago, Ruzious said:

Hmm, I'm guessing some of our local weathermen used to be baseball scouts.  B|

Baseball America had Sisco as MLB's 57th best prospect going into 2017.  

http://www.masnsports.com/steve-melewski/2017/02/chance-sisco-is-ranked-no-57-by-baseball-america.html

What's your point? Top 100 lists by many sources are filled with guys who miss all the time, even after being labelled can't miss. At the end of the day, you don't know whether a guy can hit major league pitching until they face major league pitching on a daily basis. 

Pitching is a bit easier but not a perfect science either. You can actually see the stuff, command, and mound presence and can make better assessments on whether that will work against major leaguers.

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1 hour ago, Tony-OH said:

What's your point? Top 100 lists by many sources are filled with guys who miss all the time, even after being labelled can't miss. At the end of the day, you don't know whether a guy can hit major league pitching until they face major league pitching on a daily basis. 

Pitching is a bit easier but not a perfect science either. You can actually see the stuff, command, and mound presence and can make better assessments on whether that will work against major leaguers.

Just trying to add a little humor and information.  Nothing more, nothing less.  

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3 hours ago, Frobby said:

I think the O’s will give Stewart a few starts here and there just to have a look at him, but I don’t expect him to be a staple in our lineup over the final 18 games.    He didn’t do enough at Norfolk to warrrant that extensive a look right now.    He will start 2019 in the minors, I expect.   

Yes Buck will put Trey LF so the golden boy can play 1st. Now is the time to see these young guys. 

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5 minutes ago, Dark Helmet said:

I wasn't and I think you know what I meant.

If you think that half the 40 man roster is replaceable, I agree with you. Even if players are not among the 800 best at what they do in the entire world,  the are still in the upper couple grand. 

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The tension is high in this thread, fortunately we have football and yankee has a sale on scented candles this week. I’m partial to the blueberry scone, but you’ll have to hit amazon or eBay for that trip to heaven on the blueberry express. Speaking of express, Carroll threw a 70 split to Lowrie on 1-0, if he can harness that pitch, we have something. Fangraphs gives him a 65/70 on the fastball and a 55/60 on his slider which is especially encouraging considering his best single offering tonight was a pitch they put a 40/45 on. A 70fb, 60 slider and a change/split with consistent movement like the one to Lowrie had — and we have ourselves something. 

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2 minutes ago, webbrick2010 said:

Nice impression of Mark Trumbo by DJ Stewart in RF as he bumbled and stumbled into the wall as the ball landed next to him on the warning track. A first round draft pick. SMH.

We are the place DHs go for the opportunity to roam freely on beautifully cut grass. 

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1 hour ago, weams said:

If you think that half the 40 man roster is replaceable, I agree with you. Even if players are not among the 800 best at what they do in the entire world,  the are still in the upper couple grand. 

I wasn't calling a person garbage. I was saying there are some places they could clear up some spots. It was a metaphor...not a personal indictment of someone. 

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9 hours ago, webbrick2010 said:

Nice impression of Mark Trumbo by DJ Stewart in RF as he bumbled and stumbled into the wall as the ball landed next to him on the warning track. A first round draft pick. SMH.

He’s a good athlete in his first start with an in-game move from left to right. I’m willing to give him a bit.

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