Britton on the use of analytics in New York vs. Baltimore

[Enjoy Terror]

30 minutes ago, OrioleDog said:

There's a certain psychobabble level where I think Britton is being a "true Oriole" here.  He might still see here as a potential closer gig and good paycheck.  It could kind of be a fun exercise for Britton over the next few years, sign 1-year contracts, get traded in July for whoever wants a guy like him on a 2-month term + postseason basis, and when he comes back for good on the 2022 Orioles, the roster is made up of him and like 6 guys he brought into the organization.

True Orioles have to play the long game.

I do think big data in the last few years is proving its worth so much so that the lines between The Player and The Organization are blurrier than they have ever been.

Jim Johnson is just Zach Britton in the distant future. I don’t see a reunion happening. Not the Orioles MO.

[Can_of_corn]

We also need to remember that the main reason Girardi was let go was so that Cashman could install a manger that would be receptive to things of this nature.

[Ohfan67]

14 hours ago, tntoriole said:

If you think Zach saying something in a NY newspaper changes anything, ok.  Zach just needs to pitch better and talk less trash about the team that made him a big leaguer. 

That was talking trash? The Orioles MADE him a big league pitcher?

You and most other Oriole fans now know more about the team’s investment in and use of analytics relative to other organizations partly as a result of Zach’s comment. Let there be light.

 

You post negative comments about the Orioles all the time, but seem so quick to defend them whenever anything negative appears in the press. I don’t understand that. Zach’s comment was not talking trash. I’m almost certain he was questioned in a way that provoked a comparison. He didn’t try to use the differences in analytics as an excuse for his performance. 

[JR Oriole]

5 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

I think preparation led to all those bloop hits the O's didn't get.  I think preparation led to Britton having trouble against them.

They just struck me, at the time, as having the superior game plan. 

They struck me as having unbelievable health and good luck honestly.  Yes they had speed, great defense, and a dominant bullpen of flamethrowers.  But they won all of 89 games, should have only won 84 if you go by Pythagorean, and Ned Yost's extremely questionable pitching moves in the wild card game should have cost them even an appearance in the ALDS had Oakland not choked in the very late innings. 

O'Day killed us in that series much more than Britton did.

[Can_of_corn]

2 minutes ago, JR Oriole said:

They struck me as having unbelievable health and good luck honestly.  Yes they had speed, great defense, and a dominant bullpen of flamethrowers.  But they won all of 89 games, should have only won 84 if you go by Pythagorean, and Ned Yost's extremely questionable pitching moves in the wild card game should have cost them even an appearance in the ALDS had Oakland not choked in the very late innings. 

O'Day killed us in that series much more than Britton did.

I agree they were lucky to get there.

Not sure what that has to do with one team being better prepared.

[Chromehill]

18 minutes ago, JR Oriole said:

It is hard to say how much better prepared the Royals were than us in 2014.  A level playing field would have removed Moustakas, Hosmer, and Perez out of their lineup for 4+ games of that series.  Even though only Hosmer hit really well against us in that series (Moose did have a huge homer in Game 1), take those 3 out of the lineup and there is a ripple effect.  I am also not sure that superior preparation led to all of the bloop hits they got. 

Still remember game 1, Gordon gets the broken bat double down the right field line with the bases loaded to score 3 runs with two outs.  Tillman made a great pitch and gives up 3 runs.  To me that was the oh shyte series, the baseball gods seem to favor KC that series, an awful lot seem to go their way.  They won 4 close games. 

Certainly not having Machado and Davis hurt too.  I discount Wieters since he missed most of the season.

[webbrick2010]

Anyone else get the feeling that Britton is somehow bitter about his time (or how it ended) with the Orioles

Seems he's pissed at:

1. Not getting a chance in the Toronto game

2. The realization that Buck rode him very hard, than he  sustained a serious injury before free agency, and now his big payday may never occur

[NCRaven]

5 minutes ago, webbrick2010 said:

Anyone else get the feeling...

Not really.

[Redskins Rick]

3 minutes ago, webbrick2010 said:

Anyone else get the feeling that Britton is somehow bitter about his time (or how it ended) with the Orioles

Seems he's pissed at:

1. Not getting a chance in the Toronto game

2. The realization that Buck rode him very hard, than he  sustained a serious injury before free agency, and now his big payday may never occur

No I dont get that, not at all.

I think he was speaking honestly about the differences.

You realize that his last two salaries was 11.4m and 12m.

He was very well paid.

But, you can read it however you want.

[Ohfan67]

48 minutes ago, NCRaven said:

Not really.

I agree...not really. 

[JR Oriole]

1 hour ago, Can_of_corn said:

I agree they were lucky to get there.

Not sure what that has to do with one team being better prepared.

I honestly have no idea how to quantify whether they were more or less prepared than us.  I don't know how that is evident from watching the games...at least for me, I couldn't tell.  The only things I knew were that they were extremely healthy relative to us, they had a lot of bloop hits including the Gordon 3-run double that somehow didn't go foul or land anywhere near Markakis, and I had the same awful feeling watching his homer in the 10th as I did when Grissom hit the Game 2 homer in 1997. 

[weams]

1 hour ago, Can_of_corn said:

I think preparation led to all those bloop hits the O's didn't get.  I think preparation led to Britton having trouble against them.

They just struck me, at the time, as having the superior game plan. 

Game plans work over 162 plus. Post season is how the lady  shines upon you.

[weams]

1 hour ago, webbrick2010 said:

Anyone else get the feeling that Britton is somehow bitter about his time (or how it ended) with the Orioles

Seems he's pissed at:

1. Not getting a chance in the Toronto game

2. The realization that Buck rode him very hard, than he  sustained a serious injury before free agency, and now his big payday may never occur

No. I do however think he might be auditioning for a contract. 

[LA2]

2 hours ago, JR Oriole said:

They struck me as having unbelievable health and good luck honestly.  Yes they had speed, great defense, and a dominant bullpen of flamethrowers.  But they won all of 89 games, should have only won 84 if you go by Pythagorean, and Ned Yost's extremely questionable pitching moves in the wild card game should have cost them even an appearance in the ALDS had Oakland not choked in the very late innings. 

O'Day killed us in that series much more than Britton did.

The KC come-from-behind win against Oakland involved the Royals running at every possible opportunity against a pitcher who was lousy at keeping runners on base and a catcher who was lousy at throwing them out. I assume it was Yost who made the decision to unleash his players' speed then.

[Can_of_corn]

3 minutes ago, weams said:

Game plans work over 162 plus. Post season is how the lady  shines upon you.

Tell that to the Indians.