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1 minute ago, maybenxtyr said:

No problem. I really was trying to make a dry joke...I think Cobb would welcome an opportunity to get out of Baltimore though. 

Most players would. I think there should be a sign in the clubhouse in spring training:

"Want to play in October? Have a really strong first half."

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15 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

I would have thought Jones would have been eager to move to a contender to raise his stock going into free agency.

I think it’s pretty clear that Jones did not think getting traded would raise his stock going into free agency.    And, enduring a final two months of losing in a city that has been your home for a decade and in which you are an icon, is a bit different than enduring three more years of losing in a city where you’ve spent one very miserable year.

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1 minute ago, Frobby said:

I think it’s pretty clear that Jones did not think getting traded would raise his stock going into free agency.    And, enduring a final two months of losing in a city that has been your home for a decade and in which you are an icon, is a bit different than enduring three more years of losing in a city where you’ve spent one very miserable year.

I'll say what I said last year, don't just assume a player will waive their trade protection.

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2 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

I'll say what I said last year, don't just assume a player will waive their trade protection.

Yeah, that’s fine.   The only point being made here is that he might be more willing to do so since he probably hadn’t expected that he was walking into such a pitiful situation.   

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16 hours ago, Frobby said:

Mmmm, I don’t know.   If he has a decent year, I could see a team picking him up for their stretch run if we ate some of his remaining salary.   I mean, some team took Aubrey Huff off our hands when he was hitting .253/.321/.405.    Trumbo hit .261/.313/.452 last year and if he did that well or better this year some team might bite late in the year.

Trumbo has career OBP of .302.  Huff had career OBP of .342. Not comparable players.  We basically got Trumbo for nothing when he was making 8 million a year and was coming off a better season. The market for players who cant field and cant get on base and strike out all the time no longer exists. Even the year Trumbo hit 47 years he wasnt all that productive. 

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6 hours ago, atomic said:

Trumbo has career OBP of .302.  Huff had career OBP of .342. Not comparable players.  We basically got Trumbo for nothing when he was making 8 million a year and was coming off a better season. The market for players who cant field and cant get on base and strike out all the time no longer exists. Even the year Trumbo hit 47 years he wasnt all that productive. 

Comparing the raw career OBP of the two players is not a good way to analyze this.   Huff had a career OPS+ of 114 when he was traded, but only 89 in the first 4.5 months of 2009.    Trumbo has a career OPS+ of 108.    I think they’re pretty comparable, and I already said he’d have to be doing as well as last year or better, which would mean he’d be having a significantly better year than Huff was having in 2009.    

In any event, it’s all hypothetical until we see how Trumbo does in 2019.

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If you find anyone to take even a third of Trumbo's contract, you deal him regardless of the return. Saving $5M and clearing the roster spot is worth it. Ultimately, the Orioles need to move Mancini back to 1B/DH and out of the OF. Removing Trumbo from the picture helps accomplish that. It also clears a better path for Mountcastle should he have a good spring and solid first couple months in the minors.

As for Cobb and Givens, I'd move either of them for a good package. Pitching tends to hold (or increase) value at the deadline so I wouldn't be in a hurry to move either, but I'd listen now.

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